Nov 23, 2012 16:22
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English term
signed as a deed and delivered
English to German
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Law: Contract(s)
This phrase appears under a British document called "Deed of Change of Name (Deed Poll)" made by a person declaring that she wants to give up her old name and adopt a specific new name and in all future times to use only that new name. The deed poll needs to be (and is) signed by that person both in her new name and in her old name and by a witness (or two).
I know that the signing a n d delivery of a deed (i.e., a formal contract) are formal requirements that need to be satisfied to make the deed binding on the parties -- but usually there are two or more parties. This deed poll, however, is a formal and sealed unilateral declaration "signed as a deed and delivered" by the person declaring the change of name and a witness.
Has anyone ever come across this phrase in such a context and found a proper German translation for it?
I would be grateful for your help.
I know that the signing a n d delivery of a deed (i.e., a formal contract) are formal requirements that need to be satisfied to make the deed binding on the parties -- but usually there are two or more parties. This deed poll, however, is a formal and sealed unilateral declaration "signed as a deed and delivered" by the person declaring the change of name and a witness.
Has anyone ever come across this phrase in such a context and found a proper German translation for it?
I would be grateful for your help.
Proposed translations
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| 5 | als Urkunde ausgefertigt [oder unterzeichnet] und uebergeben |
Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
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als Urkunde ausgefertigt [oder unterzeichnet] und uebergeben
Deed: Urkunde die gewisse Voraussetzungen erfuellen muss, in UK: Section 2 LMPA
Delivered: uebergeben
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Note added at 3 days19 hrs (2012-11-27 11:37:53 GMT) Post-grading
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An wen uebergeben? An den Erklaerumgsempfaenger. Uebrigens muss 'Deed' nicht unbedingt eine einseitige Willenserklaerung verkoerpern, kann es aber.
Delivered: uebergeben
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An wen uebergeben? An den Erklaerumgsempfaenger. Uebrigens muss 'Deed' nicht unbedingt eine einseitige Willenserklaerung verkoerpern, kann es aber.
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Jule Eitel
: Delivery ist hier eben nicht die Aushändigung/Übergabe, sondern eine Verbindlichkeitserklärung (siehe meine untenstehenden Referenzen)
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Comment: "Danke. Auf diese Formulierung war ich auch gekommen, aber das beantwortet noch nicht wirklich meine Frage: wieso übergeben, an wen bei einer einseitigen Erklärung? Habe mein Dilemma dadurch gelöst, dass ich diese Übersetzung gewählt und zusätzlich den Begriff "Deed Poll" mit einer Fußnote versehen habe: rechtsgültig ausgefertigte Urkunde über sie einseitige Erklärung einer Namensänderung."
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wenn du unbedingt dies übersetzen musst, dann
rechtsgültig unterzeichnet und verschickt
mehr dazu siehe http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed_poll
rechtsgültig unterzeichnet und verschickt
mehr dazu siehe http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deed_poll
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| Danke für den Link. |
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Es geht hier nicht um das Aushändigen, sondern um die eindeutige Willenserklärung
Delivery of deeds
A simple contract is effective on execution, but before a deed can take effect it must be "delivered". Delivery fixes the date at which the party is bound. Once delivered, a deed is irrevocable (in the absence of an express right of revocation). A deed is delivered when a party evinces an intention to be bound, even though the party retains possession of the document (Xenos v Wickham [1867] LR 2 HL 296). It does not matter whether this intention is actually communicated to the other party.
zweite Referenz:
Delivery of Deeds Generally
A deed takes effect when delivered, and whether or not delivery has occurred depends on the intention of the grantor. Civ. Code § 1054; Miller v. Jansen (1943) 21 Cal. 2d 473, 477; Williams v. Kidd (1915) 170 Cal. 631, 642; Knudson v. Adams (1934) 137 Cal. App. 261, 267. Delivery occurs if and only if the grantor, in parting with possession of the deed, intended to presently convey title to the grantee. Williams v. Kidd (1915) 170 Cal. 631. Whether or not such intent was present is a question of fact. Ivancovich v. Sullivan (1957) 149 Cal. App. 2d 160, 164. Generally, if a deed has not been delivered, then it is void and ineffective. Bank of Healdsburg v. Bailhace (1884) 65 Cal. 327, 329-332; Reina v. Erassarret (1949) 90 Cal. App. 2d 418, 426-427; Meyer v. Wall (1969) 270 Cal. App. 2d 24, 27. Thus, whether or not a deed took effect will depend on the trial court’s findings regarding the grantor’s intent at the time the grantor allegedly gave a deed to the grantee.
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"Als Urkunde unterzeichnet und für verbindlich erklärt" wäre eine mögliche Übersetzung.
A simple contract is effective on execution, but before a deed can take effect it must be "delivered". Delivery fixes the date at which the party is bound. Once delivered, a deed is irrevocable (in the absence of an express right of revocation). A deed is delivered when a party evinces an intention to be bound, even though the party retains possession of the document (Xenos v Wickham [1867] LR 2 HL 296). It does not matter whether this intention is actually communicated to the other party.
zweite Referenz:
Delivery of Deeds Generally
A deed takes effect when delivered, and whether or not delivery has occurred depends on the intention of the grantor. Civ. Code § 1054; Miller v. Jansen (1943) 21 Cal. 2d 473, 477; Williams v. Kidd (1915) 170 Cal. 631, 642; Knudson v. Adams (1934) 137 Cal. App. 261, 267. Delivery occurs if and only if the grantor, in parting with possession of the deed, intended to presently convey title to the grantee. Williams v. Kidd (1915) 170 Cal. 631. Whether or not such intent was present is a question of fact. Ivancovich v. Sullivan (1957) 149 Cal. App. 2d 160, 164. Generally, if a deed has not been delivered, then it is void and ineffective. Bank of Healdsburg v. Bailhace (1884) 65 Cal. 327, 329-332; Reina v. Erassarret (1949) 90 Cal. App. 2d 418, 426-427; Meyer v. Wall (1969) 270 Cal. App. 2d 24, 27. Thus, whether or not a deed took effect will depend on the trial court’s findings regarding the grantor’s intent at the time the grantor allegedly gave a deed to the grantee.
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"Als Urkunde unterzeichnet und für verbindlich erklärt" wäre eine mögliche Übersetzung.
Reference:
http://ld.practicallaw.com/ldProfile/jsp/article.jsp?item=:13327643
http://www.emw-sandiego-attorney.com/issues-in-the-delivery-of-deeds-under-california-law
Note from asker:
| Danke, die Fundstellen sind sehr aufschluss- und hilfreich. Inhaltlich ist mir die Sache klar, aber wie es zu übersetzen ist, damit ein des englischen Rechts unkundiger deutscher Leser (z.B. in meinem Fall Standesbeamter) damit was anfangen kann ... |
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Albert Fischer (Dipl. Jur., LL.B., BDÜ)
: Ja, delivery muss nicht physisch erfolgen. Bei Grundstuecksgeschaeften besteht die 'delivery' oft aus einem Telefonanruf zwischen den beiden Rechtsanwaelten ("Form TN1 hereby delivered"). Ursp war jedoch Uebergabe der verkoerperten Erklaerung gemeint.
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Hallo Albert, laut den Referenzen muss "delivery" gegenüber der anderen Partei gar nicht erfolgen, es langt, dass die Verbindlichkeit der Urkunde erklärt wird. Ursprung ist das "Livery of seisin" (siehe Wikipedia), lang ist's her...
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Vielleicht ist der Empfänger in diesem Fall Gott/das Universum? ;-)
Mehr habe ich dem nicht hinzuzufügen.
Bis bald mal wieder hier bei KudoZ :-)