Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Una zona desbastada
English translation:
An area ravaged by
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Feb 27, 2017 21:21
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Spanish term
Una zona desbastada
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Term in sentence: Así mismo, visité la región de Ancash (en la parte central del Perú) una zona desbastada por la megaminería metálica transnacional.
Context: The writer was talking about a transnational mining company that has tried to strip the inhabitants of their territory in Ayabaca, another part of Peru.
Context: The writer was talking about a transnational mining company that has tried to strip the inhabitants of their territory in Ayabaca, another part of Peru.
Proposed translations
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| 3 +7 | An area ravaged by |
Marie Wilson
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| 4 +2 | a devastated area |
neilmac
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| 3 +1 | a region victimized by the depradations of |
Robert Forstag
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References
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Taña Dalglish
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Proposed translations
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An area ravaged by
This is one way of saying it.
Hard Places: Reading the Landscape of America's Historic Mining ...
https://books.google.es/books?isbn=1587290707
Richard V. Francaviglia - 1997 - History
A look at the distribution of historic mining areas (fig. ... of water and debris have swept over settlements downstream in areas ravaged by mining activity.
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The meaning of "desbastar" is:
"1. tr. Quitar las partes más bastas a algo que se haya de labrar.", but I don't see how that would work in this case.
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I don't know if I am being overly dramatic suggesting "ravaged", but it is what comes to mind when thinking about large-scale open-cast mining. "Desbastar" and "devastar" are two commonly confused words and, whether this is the case or not here, the translation of "desbastar" to scratch or roughen up the service while describing the effects of "mega minería" does not seem adequate to me.
"La mega minería y sus consecuencias
La mega minería es una práctica fatal para el medio ambiente. Provoca la voladura de montañas y la contaminación en el agua. Es una actividad que se utiliza mucho para extraer cobre, uranio, oro, plata y otros materiales que hay en el suelo de algunos rincones del planeta."
http://www.ecologiaverde.com/la-mega-mineria-y-sus-consecuen...
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I meant to type "surface" before, not "service".
Hard Places: Reading the Landscape of America's Historic Mining ...
https://books.google.es/books?isbn=1587290707
Richard V. Francaviglia - 1997 - History
A look at the distribution of historic mining areas (fig. ... of water and debris have swept over settlements downstream in areas ravaged by mining activity.
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Note added at 30 mins (2017-02-27 21:51:49 GMT)
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The meaning of "desbastar" is:
"1. tr. Quitar las partes más bastas a algo que se haya de labrar.", but I don't see how that would work in this case.
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Note added at 11 hrs (2017-02-28 08:58:25 GMT)
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I don't know if I am being overly dramatic suggesting "ravaged", but it is what comes to mind when thinking about large-scale open-cast mining. "Desbastar" and "devastar" are two commonly confused words and, whether this is the case or not here, the translation of "desbastar" to scratch or roughen up the service while describing the effects of "mega minería" does not seem adequate to me.
"La mega minería y sus consecuencias
La mega minería es una práctica fatal para el medio ambiente. Provoca la voladura de montañas y la contaminación en el agua. Es una actividad que se utiliza mucho para extraer cobre, uranio, oro, plata y otros materiales que hay en el suelo de algunos rincones del planeta."
http://www.ecologiaverde.com/la-mega-mineria-y-sus-consecuen...
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I meant to type "surface" before, not "service".
Peer comment(s):
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Eileen Brophy
: Excellent
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Thank you very much, Eileen.
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Muriel Vasconcellos
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Thank you very much, Muriel.
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franglish
: "laid waste", also
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Thanks, franglish. That's another good option.
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Martin Harvey
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Thanks, Martin.
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neilmac
: Must say I do like a bit of "ravaged" now and then...
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Thanks, Neil.
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Marcelo González
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Thank you, Marcelo.
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Louise Meadley
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Thanks, Louise.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks!"
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Robert Forstag
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Translating words, preserving meaning
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
Related KudoZ points
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Spanish term (edited):
una zona desbastada por
a region victimized by the depradations of
Assuming that "desbastada" is not a mistake, I think that "ravaged by" goes too far. The idea is inappropriate exploitation/depradation, and not "devastation."
Peer comment(s):
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Jessica Noyes
: Yes, I agree that the other language goes too far. Your phrasing reflects my experience of the reality of the Ankash. However, if the author of the source is exaggerating for effect, the translation should reflect this.
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Thank you. Over and apart from whatever the reality is (and this certainly should be taken into account) I do not think that "desabastecer" in any way implies a "ravaging," and I am surprised that said suggestion has garnered so much support.
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a devastated area
Nothing wrong with a bit of hyperbole in the right place:
Synonyms of devastate: destroy, ruin, leave in ruins, wreck, lay waste, wreak havoc on, ravage...
"the city was devastated by a huge earthquake"
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Here, someone's life has been "devastated" by fracking:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14763183.US_fracking_firm...
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"Many of the communities around the world, which are now devastated by fracking, had no opportunity to stop it before it took a stranglehold..."
http://www.talkfracking.org/news-archive/when-lancashire-wen...
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-3805...
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"She says that such and such area near a mine is devastated by mining,"...
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2017/02/09/1670405/whats-min...
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Thare are over 1000 hits online for "devastated by mining", FWIW...
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In the syntax of the query, it would be: "an area devastated by" (which itself gets over 23000 results in a Google search)...
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NB: In the light of Taña's reference, if they did mean "desbastar > to plane, to smooth, to polish, to waste", another option could be "levelled", (sites that had been levelled by mining):
"What plans have you got to mitigate the expected change in micro climate once the hill and forest are levelled by mining activities":
http://www.merinews.com/article/mining-would-destroy-the-bio...
Synonyms of devastate: destroy, ruin, leave in ruins, wreck, lay waste, wreak havoc on, ravage...
"the city was devastated by a huge earthquake"
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Note added at 12 hrs (2017-02-28 09:56:21 GMT)
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Here, someone's life has been "devastated" by fracking:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14763183.US_fracking_firm...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2017-02-28 09:57:35 GMT)
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"Many of the communities around the world, which are now devastated by fracking, had no opportunity to stop it before it took a stranglehold..."
http://www.talkfracking.org/news-archive/when-lancashire-wen...
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-3805...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2017-02-28 09:59:04 GMT)
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"She says that such and such area near a mine is devastated by mining,"...
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2017/02/09/1670405/whats-min...
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Note added at 12 hrs (2017-02-28 10:00:44 GMT)
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Thare are over 1000 hits online for "devastated by mining", FWIW...
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Note added at 13 hrs (2017-02-28 11:00:39 GMT)
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In the syntax of the query, it would be: "an area devastated by" (which itself gets over 23000 results in a Google search)...
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Note added at 13 hrs (2017-02-28 11:06:54 GMT)
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NB: In the light of Taña's reference, if they did mean "desbastar > to plane, to smooth, to polish, to waste", another option could be "levelled", (sites that had been levelled by mining):
"What plans have you got to mitigate the expected change in micro climate once the hill and forest are levelled by mining activities":
http://www.merinews.com/article/mining-would-destroy-the-bio...
Reference comments
32 mins
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Works in field
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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Reference:
Refs.
https://archive.org/stream/spanishenglishen00macduoft#page/8...
Pge 85: desbastar > to plane, to smooth, to polish, to waste
http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/desbastar
http://en.lexicoon.org/es/desbastar
La primera definición de desbastar en el diccionario de la real academia de la lengua española es quitar las partes más bastas a algo que se haya de labrar.
Otro significado de desbastar en el diccionario es gastar, disminuir, debilitar.
Desbastar es también quitar lo basto, encogido y grosero que por falta de educación tienen algunas personas.
I am not 100% sure, but it sounds like "to devastate", "to decimate", "to diminish", "to weaken".
Pge 85: desbastar > to plane, to smooth, to polish, to waste
http://dictionary.reverso.net/spanish-english/desbastar
http://en.lexicoon.org/es/desbastar
La primera definición de desbastar en el diccionario de la real academia de la lengua española es quitar las partes más bastas a algo que se haya de labrar.
Otro significado de desbastar en el diccionario es gastar, disminuir, debilitar.
Desbastar es también quitar lo basto, encogido y grosero que por falta de educación tienen algunas personas.
I am not 100% sure, but it sounds like "to devastate", "to decimate", "to diminish", "to weaken".
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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neilmac
: If it isn't a typo, "levelled" might work, although I prefer the 'devastated/ravaged' take for effect.
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Thanks Neil. I like Marie's idea of ravaged too. I thought of "decimated" but that may be a little strong.
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Jessica Noyes
: I spent four months in the Ankash region a couple of years ago, and "decimated" is definitely too strong. Most of the area is gorgeous, and the depradations of mining are taking place off the roads and hiking routes.
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Thanks Jessica.
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