Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
visite libre
English translation:
self-guided tour
French term
visite libre
Nov 13, 2008 09:41: writeaway changed "Field" from "Art/Literary" to "Marketing"
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Proposed translations
self-guided tour
A self-guided tour is where one navigates a route himself as opposed to an escorted tour where a tour guide person directs the route, times, information, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-guided_tour - 20k - Cached - Similar pages
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I agree with Graham that it is quite ghastly, but that is what many organizations choose to use (I work with a lot of museums, and this is indeed the term they use).
Of course, working around it is another viable option, but without more context it is difficult to give you any suggestions on how to go about doing so. :-)
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Again, I agree with all the comments that this is not a pretty term, and I *totally* understand if you go with another solution (and even encourage you to do so ;-), but I do feel it important to point out that this is not simply a matter of badly translated sites.
I had a background in museum work prior to becoming a translator, and I can assure you that countless English-language museums in Canada, the US and UK use this term, as unfortunate as it may seem.
Here, for example, is a page on self-guided programs from the Royal Ontario Museum
http://www.rom.on.ca/schools/selfguided.php
or the Philidelphia Museum of Art
http://www.philamuseum.org/calendarEvents/31-481-331.html
or the Harvard Museum of Natural History
http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/self-guided_visits/self-guided_v...
and the list goes on...
I suppose if that's what it is, that's what it is, even if the idea of guiding oneself sounds like a contradiction in terms to me...! |
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writeaway
: yup, all over the www or self-guided visit /if that's what museums use, why fight it. A museum the size of the Louvre would be a tour, yes.
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thanks Writeaway
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Emma Paulay
: Wasn't sure this was OK for museums etc. but it's good enough for the Louvre http://www.louvre.fr/llv/activite/detail_parcours.jsp?CONTEN...<>cnt_id=10134198674098115&CURRENT_LLV_PARCOURS<>cnt_id=10134198674098115&bmLocale=en
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As a member of the Louvre translation team, I just wanted to defend myself by saying that alas we are given a glossary that we have to follow strictly, and that I am fighting hard to get ghastly expressions and translations removed. A long uphill battle!
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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thanks Beatriz
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Rimas Balsys
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thanks Rimas
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lundy
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thanks lundy
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Graham macLachlan
: however ghastly it may be as a term
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fully agree, but please see my added note
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Anthony Lines (X)
: As in "entrée libre".
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hmm, don't think it's quite the same thing
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Estelle Demontrond-Box
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thanks Estelle
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Sandra Mouton
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thanks Sandra
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Gacela20
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thanks Gacela20
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Julie Barber
: Agree with Graham - it's atroce
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agree, too, but as lingo_montreal points out below, and I show in a few of many reliable refs, the term is definitely entrenched in English museum-speak
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lingo_montreal
: This term is so entrenched internationally, and sums up the "guideless" aspect of the visit quite succinctly. I'd say stick with it and move on; there are other, more important, linguistic battles to fight!
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I agree lingo, as I show in a few very reliable English museum sites, the term is definitely entrenched, and I tend to agree that we may need to concentrate our efforts on ickier linguistic issues :-)
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subversive opinion that should probably be ignored
great minds clearly think alike :) |
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Vicky James
: Get round it if you can.
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... resign yourself to the inevitable if you can't, thanks
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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thanks
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polyglot45
: However widely it is bandied about websites, self-guided is a very "unnatural" expression - I suspect context is all and there is no cut-and-paste solution
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yes, unnatural
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Emma Paulay
: Should definitely not be ignored.//And while we're about it, could someone ban the use of "trail" for "parcours" cf The Louvre link? Ugh! Can't stand it!
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the revolution is here, man the barricades!
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Mark Nathan
: and see comment on Andrew's suggestion // in any case I think we should fight against self-guided - sounds like a missile. Only marginally less ridiculous than "self-propelled".
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yes but there's no added value in "entry" whereas "entry plus free audioguide" is immediately more attractive//:-))
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Silvia Brandon-Pérez
: I always go for the subversive, if available. I like Mary Carroll's suggestion of self-paced tour...
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Free Entry
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Emma Paulay
: I doubt this is what it means. In many museums, you pay an entrance fee and then you're free to visit as you please.
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Sandra Mouton
: I agree with Emma. You pay for a 'visite libre' even if less than for a 'visite guidée'
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Mark Nathan
: But perhaps you simply use "entry" or admission ; e.g. entry 6€, guided tour 12€.
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non-guided visit
Ninth through twelfth grade classes, University students and adults or seniors may schedule a non-guided visit to the Whitney. Groups arrive at the Museum ...
www.whitney.org/www/information/group.jsp - 22k - E
Penshurst Places and Gardens - Group Visits -
Here you will receive a non-guided visit to the house and gardens followed by a traditional cream tea. To make a booking call: 01622 763936 (This offer ...
www.penshurstplace.com/group-visits.html - 21k
Royal Palace description page -
$6.40 USD) \ Non-Guided visit = 1000 pesetas./6.01 Euros (approx. $5.50 USD). ... $4.50 USD) \ Non-Guided visit = 850 pesetas./5.11 Euros (approx. ...
www.multimadrid.com/descrips/sites/palacioreal.htm - 20k -
Hermione, freedom’s frigate - Introduction - Visit the site - Rates -
Non-guided visit of the construction site of Hermione :. Free for children under 8 ... Non-guided visit twinned with the visit of the Corderie Royale : ...
www.hermione.com/en/visit-the-site/rates/ - 10k
unescorted tour
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writeaway
: but I think this is used more for trips than for museum visits
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Charlie Bavington
: with you every step of the way. Or rather not, or course, if you see what I mean :-)
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Thanks Charlie!
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Catherine Gilsenan
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Entrance/Entry
unguided visit
When calling to make a booking, be prepared with the following information:
* Name, address and telephone number of the school/organization.
* Contact person at the school.
* Preferred date(s) and time(s).
* Number of children and adults.
* Ages of children in your group.
* The area of the Museum you wish to visit and/or the subject of your tour.
* Your preference for either a guided tour or unguided visit.
* If unguided visit preferred, please provide details of duration of your intended visit.
* Does your group have any special needs (wheelchair, non-English speaker, etc)?
http://www.ashmolean.org/learning/booking/
Schools Groups | Saint Malo
workshop duration: 45 min + unguided visit Through a sensory workshop, ... workshop duration: 2h+unguided visit This workshop is a way to show how species ...
www.aquarium-st-malo.com/2007/08/24/schools-groups
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or there's "unaccompanied tour" here:
An unaccompanied tour of the Museum of Farnham is free.
http://www.waverley.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?d...
and here, though it's headed unguided tours, they have these terms too (but I think self-guided sounds daft)
Unaccompanied and self-guided visits
http://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/visits/groups/unguided-tours.ht...
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Mark Nathan
: "I/we walked unguided through the museum"... but "I walked self-guided" is nonsense.
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Yes, quite agree - thanks Mark!
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Discussion
Here's hoping French Foodie can strike a blow for us at the Louvre anyway.
Finally (for now), in response to writeaway's vote, I'd say this is the very essence of what a pro question is all about.
'solitary tour', 'self-paced tour', 'personal tour'...anyone game? We might be able to eradicate one term a day..there are many..