Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
25 or 6 to 4
English answer:
3:35 or 3:34 (am)
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Can Altinbay
Jun 19, 2005 21:40
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25 or 6 to 4
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Good evening
This question is not related to any translation work and I hope no one will waste any time with it.
An Italian friend told me that he had been trying, periodically and over many years, to discover the meaning of this line from a song with the same title by US R&B greats Chicago (From the 1970 Album "Chicago II - lyrics below).
I have no idea and my friend has been unable to find any explanation on the web. Is it US-specific? Can anyone shed any light? fo
TIA
Respect
Derek
25 or 6 to 4
Waiting for the break of day
Searching for something to say
Flashing lights against the sky
Giving up I close my eyes
Sitting cross-legged on the floor
25 or 6 to 4
Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4
Feeling like I ought to sleep
Spinning room is sinking deep
Searching for something to say
Waiting for the break of day
25 or 6 to 4
25 or 6 to 4
This question is not related to any translation work and I hope no one will waste any time with it.
An Italian friend told me that he had been trying, periodically and over many years, to discover the meaning of this line from a song with the same title by US R&B greats Chicago (From the 1970 Album "Chicago II - lyrics below).
I have no idea and my friend has been unable to find any explanation on the web. Is it US-specific? Can anyone shed any light? fo
TIA
Respect
Derek
25 or 6 to 4
Waiting for the break of day
Searching for something to say
Flashing lights against the sky
Giving up I close my eyes
Sitting cross-legged on the floor
25 or 6 to 4
Staring blindly into space
Getting up to splash my face
Wanting just to stay awake
Wondering how much I can take
Should I try to do some more
25 or 6 to 4
Feeling like I ought to sleep
Spinning room is sinking deep
Searching for something to say
Waiting for the break of day
25 or 6 to 4
25 or 6 to 4
Responses
| 5 +3 | 3:35 or 3:34 |
Can Altinbay
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| 3 +3 | 25 or 26 minutes til 4 o'clock". |
George Rabel
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| 2 +3 | please see explanation below |
Christian
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| 3 +2 | time |
Cilian O'Tuama
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| 4 +1 | explanation |
RHELLER
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| 2 | 3:35 or 3:54 |
Agnieszka Hayward (X)
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Responses
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9 mins
Can Altinbay
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Mr. Meticulous
Native in: English , Japanese
Works in: Japanese to English, Turkish to English, English to Japanese, and 3 more.
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4
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3:35 or 3:34
The official explanation from Chicago has been that the song was written arounf 3:30 in the morning and "25 or 6 to 4" refers to "25 or 26 minutes to 4", hence my answer. Everything had to be translated into drug terms for songs of that period. Next they'll tell me that "Puff the Magic Dragon" is about marijuana cigarettes.
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Look up \"25 or 6 to 4\" on Google for several other sites that tell you the same.
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Note added at 10 mins (2005-06-19 21:51:10 GMT)
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Look up \"25 or 6 to 4\" on Google for several other sites that tell you the same.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks indeed to you all for your collective input here. I'm afraid I rather took my friend's word for the fact that he had searched for this information to no avail when I posted the question. He's not a translator so I guess he's not as good at trawling for information as we have to be in our line of work. This said, the discussion has been most interesting, and, as George suggests, I suppose we can never be totally sure - even though the author himself has clarified his meaning. I guess it depends on the way we prefer to understand things.
Hard to grade a single good answer because all were excellent. I am sending virtual gradewaves through the ether.
Much respect
Derek"
+3
4 mins
please see explanation below
Just found this:
"Reference your question, the Chicago song is a description of an ACID trip. The "manic" and confused music style here actually is a reasonable approximation of the experience! The "25 or 6 to 4" line is actually "25 or 624", referring to two types of LSD available at the time, based on their chemical composition. They were LSD-25 and LSD-624. I was there; good thing my kids don't ask me about those days......"
http://www.hypernews.org/HyperNews/get/entertainments/music/...
"Reference your question, the Chicago song is a description of an ACID trip. The "manic" and confused music style here actually is a reasonable approximation of the experience! The "25 or 6 to 4" line is actually "25 or 624", referring to two types of LSD available at the time, based on their chemical composition. They were LSD-25 and LSD-624. I was there; good thing my kids don't ask me about those days......"
http://www.hypernews.org/HyperNews/get/entertainments/music/...
Peer comment(s):
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Dina Abdo
: Sounds like it :)
2 hrs
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| agree |
Saiwai Translation Services
3 hrs
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| agree |
zaphod
: Bought the T-shirt
8 hrs
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6 mins
Cilian O'Tuama
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4
time
25 or 26 minutes before 4 o'clock in the morning (waiting for the break of day)
what it sounds like to me
what it sounds like to me
+3
5 mins
George Rabel
TRANSLATIONS THAT READ LIKE ORIGINALS
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
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4
25 or 26 minutes til 4 o'clock".
At least that's th explanation given in this site. I cannot vouch for it:
25 or 6 to 4 means "25 or 26 minutes til 4 o'clock". When Chicago looked at the time, it was that time and they used it
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1066714?bs=1#marker_submit
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Oops, wrong URL, here it is:
http://www.hypernews.org/HyperNews/get/entertainments/music/...
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I don\'t dispute the acid version contributed by Christian, but then again, many times people have taken the wrong meaning out of song lyrics, as in Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, which Lennon insisted had nothing to do with LSD, and was just a drawing made by his son Julian.
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So, seems like your Italian friend will spend another 25 years searching for the true meaning. I had a seven-year dispute with my ex-wife around the words spoken at the end of \"Another Brick in the Wall\".
She insisted that they said: \"If you don\'t eat yout meat, you can\'t have any pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don\'t eat your meat\".
To this day, every time I hear the song, what I hear is: \"If you\'re going to get me, you can\'t have any pudding...etc.\"
25 or 6 to 4 means "25 or 26 minutes til 4 o'clock". When Chicago looked at the time, it was that time and they used it
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1066714?bs=1#marker_submit
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Oops, wrong URL, here it is:
http://www.hypernews.org/HyperNews/get/entertainments/music/...
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Note added at 11 mins (2005-06-19 21:52:13 GMT)
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I don\'t dispute the acid version contributed by Christian, but then again, many times people have taken the wrong meaning out of song lyrics, as in Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, which Lennon insisted had nothing to do with LSD, and was just a drawing made by his son Julian.
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So, seems like your Italian friend will spend another 25 years searching for the true meaning. I had a seven-year dispute with my ex-wife around the words spoken at the end of \"Another Brick in the Wall\".
She insisted that they said: \"If you don\'t eat yout meat, you can\'t have any pudding, how can you have any pudding if you don\'t eat your meat\".
To this day, every time I hear the song, what I hear is: \"If you\'re going to get me, you can\'t have any pudding...etc.\"
Peer comment(s):
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Christian
: Both versions make perfect sense - the "time" version and the "acid" version. I think we will never find out what's actually meant here, and that's probably what the writer of these lyrics had in mind when he wrote this song. He wants to keep us guessing.
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yep, the acid version is totally plausible also, since there have been many songs written with undisputed references to drug experiences
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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Thank you, Vicky
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jennifer newsome (X)
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thank you, jennifer
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31 mins
3:35 or 3:54
that's how I always interpreted this line for myself...
correct me if I'm wrong
regards
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ups, sorry. somehow my comp must be lazy & slow tonight. i didn\'t see any of the above answers when i was entering mine
correct me if I'm wrong
regards
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ups, sorry. somehow my comp must be lazy & slow tonight. i didn\'t see any of the above answers when i was entering mine
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4 hrs
explanation
The song "25 or 6 to 4" appeared on "Chicago II" and was written by organist/vocalist Robert Lamm.
Lamm says it's simpler than that.... "The song is about writing a song. It's not mystical," he says. Take a look at some of the lyrics:
Waiting for the break of day--He's been up all night and now it's getting close to sunrise.
Searching for something to say--Trying to think of song lyrics.
Flashing lights against the sky--Perhaps stars or the traditional flashing neon hotel sign.
Giving up I close my eyes--He's exhausted and his eyes hurt from being open too long, so he closes them.
Staring blindly into space--This expression can be seen often on the faces of writers and reporters. Trust me.
Getting up to splash my face--Something you do when you're trying to stay awake, though a good cup of Starbuck's does wonders for Cecil and me.
Wanting just to stay awake, wondering how much I can take--How far can he push himself to get the song done?
Should I try to do some more?--This is the line that makes many think it's a drug song. But it is just as easily construed as a frustrated writer wondering if he should try to do some more lyrics/songwriting.
As for the curious title, Lamm says, "It's just a reference to the time of day"--as in "waiting for the break of day" at 25 or (2)6 minutes to 4 a.m. (3:35 or 3:34 a.m.)
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Lamm says it's simpler than that.... "The song is about writing a song. It's not mystical," he says. Take a look at some of the lyrics:
Waiting for the break of day--He's been up all night and now it's getting close to sunrise.
Searching for something to say--Trying to think of song lyrics.
Flashing lights against the sky--Perhaps stars or the traditional flashing neon hotel sign.
Giving up I close my eyes--He's exhausted and his eyes hurt from being open too long, so he closes them.
Staring blindly into space--This expression can be seen often on the faces of writers and reporters. Trust me.
Getting up to splash my face--Something you do when you're trying to stay awake, though a good cup of Starbuck's does wonders for Cecil and me.
Wanting just to stay awake, wondering how much I can take--How far can he push himself to get the song done?
Should I try to do some more?--This is the line that makes many think it's a drug song. But it is just as easily construed as a frustrated writer wondering if he should try to do some more lyrics/songwriting.
As for the curious title, Lamm says, "It's just a reference to the time of day"--as in "waiting for the break of day" at 25 or (2)6 minutes to 4 a.m. (3:35 or 3:34 a.m.)
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