Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
al margen de la ley
English translation:
(terrorism, counterintelligence) subversive groups / elements
Added to glossary by
Michael Powers (PhD)
Jun 13, 2005 18:24
18 yrs ago
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Spanish term
al margen de la ley
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
De Colombia
We must have an idiomatic way of saying this.
Constancia de la FISCSAL TRECE - UNAIM, de que había evidencias de personas al margen de la ley interesadas en atenta contra la vida e integridad personal del señor Briagadier General MANZANA PERA FRESA o su familia.
We must have an idiomatic way of saying this.
Constancia de la FISCSAL TRECE - UNAIM, de que había evidencias de personas al margen de la ley interesadas en atenta contra la vida e integridad personal del señor Briagadier General MANZANA PERA FRESA o su familia.
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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Selected
subversive groups / elements/subjects
For sure !
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subversive elements operating within its jurisdiction. ... algunos Estados al
margen de la comunidad internacional en abierto desconocimiento ...
www.icj.org/IMG/pdf/Friday_24_October_Morning.pdf - Páginas similares
Declaración del designado como Embajador por la Casa Blanca ...
Los narcotraficantes y los grupos armados al margen de la ley están sintiendo la
... The US and Colombia agree that the narco-trafficker and subversive ...
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grupos armados al margen de la ley, la. producción y comercialización de drogas
ilegales ... Between 1990 and 2000, the subversive groups ...
www.ccong.org.co/foros/documentosforo/ estrategia_cooperacion.pdf - Páginas similares
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subversive elements operating within its jurisdiction. ... algunos Estados al
margen de la comunidad internacional en abierto desconocimiento ...
www.icj.org/IMG/pdf/Friday_24_October_Morning.pdf - Páginas similares
Declaración del designado como Embajador por la Casa Blanca ...
Los narcotraficantes y los grupos armados al margen de la ley están sintiendo la
... The US and Colombia agree that the narco-trafficker and subversive ...
bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsww02.shtml - 25k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Versión en HTML
grupos armados al margen de la ley, la. producción y comercialización de drogas
ilegales ... Between 1990 and 2000, the subversive groups ...
www.ccong.org.co/foros/documentosforo/ estrategia_cooperacion.pdf - Páginas similares
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "There are a lot of good suggestions for answering this particular phrase; however, within the context of counterintelligence, specifically in Colombia with FARC, ELN, paramilitary, etc., I believe this is the best answer. In the glossary I will clarify that this is the translation in terrorism and counterintelligence usage."
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outside the law...
...could be a version.
Andy
Andy
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bigedsenior
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Marcelo González
: this is the idea (as it descibes where they operate) :-)
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individuals outside the law
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guenthpw
: Your answer would be correct for the Spanish term "fuera de la ley", but not for "al margen de la ley". Sorry. Marcelo González' answer is the most accurate translation: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law"
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(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law
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Daniel Burns (X)
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Thank you, Daniel :-)
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Marina Soldati
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Gracias, Marina, y saludos desde Nuevo México :-))
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Christina Courtright
: best choice in this context
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thanks :-))
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guenthpw
: Go to him for translations. He knows Spanish!
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Even more than a decade later, love the feedback!!! Cheers and many thanks :-)
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outlaws
Suerte.
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Miguel Falquez-Certain
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Muchas gracias Nigelguy. :-)
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Gabriela Rodriguez
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Muchas gracias Gaby. :-)
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duchess
: bit too cowboys and indians for me, sorry
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Gracias por tu opinión.
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Margarita Gonzalez
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Muchas gracias Marga. :-)
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Manuel Cedeño Berrueta
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Muchas gracias Manuel.
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zemba
: De acuerdo, María.
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Muchas gracias Zemba. :-)
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Oso (X)
: ¶:^)
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Mil gracias Oso. Rocky te manda saluditos.
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Clara Nino
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Muchas gracias Clisaz. :-)
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Alicia Casal
: Muchas gracias Clisaz.
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guenthpw
: This answer fits the term "fuera de la ley"
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criminal elements
Not sure why, but sounds better than just plain 'criminals'.
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Margarita Palatnik (X)
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Thanks, Margarita
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Carlos Diaz de Leon
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Thanks, Carlos
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*TRANSCRIPT
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Thank you, Transcript
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Mijo Schyllert
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Thanks, Mijo
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Maria Arcelus
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Thank you, Maria
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Manuel Cedeño Berrueta
: I like this one, but I also like “outlaw”.
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Thanks, Manuel
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Marcelo González
: Sorry dutchess. :-) >The problem is that we have to describe where these individuals operate... :-)) >Doesn't this describe the actual people, and not so much the envirnonment in which they work (i.e., "al margen de la ley")?
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Thanks, actually I know what you're saying, but it's just that I was looking at this particular context. Otherwise I would have perhaps said 'criminal', 'illegal' but then what what would you do with 'people'?
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guenthpw
: Your answer fits the question "elementos criminales". The most faithful translation remains: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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criminal elements
Not sure why, but sounds better than just plain 'criminals'.
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who skirt the law
To lie along or form the edge of; border: the creek that skirts our property.
To pass around rather than across or through: changed their course to skirt the storm.
To pass close to; miss narrowly: The bullet skirted an artery.
To evade, as by circumlocution: skirted the controversial issue
("Donors skirt campaign finance law").
JAPAN LAW: STOCK EXCHANGES-Securities manipulators? ... and that it is permissible for them in their omnipotence to skirt the law and distort markets,
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oops...the verb definition from...v.tr....http://www.answers.com/skirt
To pass around rather than across or through: changed their course to skirt the storm.
To pass close to; miss narrowly: The bullet skirted an artery.
To evade, as by circumlocution: skirted the controversial issue
("Donors skirt campaign finance law").
JAPAN LAW: STOCK EXCHANGES-Securities manipulators? ... and that it is permissible for them in their omnipotence to skirt the law and distort markets,
www.japanlaw.info/law2003/2003_ STOCK_EXCHANGES_SECURITIES_MANIPULATORS.html
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oops...the verb definition from...v.tr....http://www.answers.com/skirt
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guenthpw
: But the best answer is the most faithful translation: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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on the outskirts of the law
Usurping Law For the Rule of Man
... war betrays the young men and women who enlisted to defend their country, not to make it a hegemonic empire that operates on the outskirts of the law. ...
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Providers of sale-leasebacks deny that they\'re all a loan
Sale-leasebacks, says spokeswoman Mary Jackson, are \"coming from a perspective of surviving on the outskirts of the law.\" ...
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Providers of sale-leasebacks deny that they\'re all a loan
Sale-leasebacks, says spokeswoman Mary Jackson, are \"coming from a perspective of surviving on the outskirts of the law.\" ...
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guenthpw
: "Outskirts" is already outside. "Fringes" is like "on the edge", i.e., not quite outside. One step farther and you are on the other side. You then are looking in from the "outskirts."
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Spanish term (edited):
personas al margen de la ley
lawbreakers
lawbreaker
Definition
1. one who disobeys the law.
http://www.wordsmyth.net
Related Words
culprit , criminal , outlaw , convict
Derived Forms
lawbreaking, [n.], adj.
Definition
1. one who disobeys the law.
http://www.wordsmyth.net
Related Words
culprit , criminal , outlaw , convict
Derived Forms
lawbreaking, [n.], adj.
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Oso (X)
: ¶:^)
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Sr. Oso, es usted muy amable. Saludos Cordiales. 8-)
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Marcelo González
: Es cierto lo que dice en cuanto a lo que aparece en la parte de abajo, pero su respuesta describe a la gente, y no el ambiente en que andan...>Sorry, colemh. This describes the people, not where they do their dastardly deeds...
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Marcelo, si observa con atención el párrafo que incluye el término, estoy contestando bajo el supuesto de “personas al margen de la ley”. Bajo este contexto lawbreakers es precisamente eso. Gracias por sus comentarios.
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guenthpw
: The first Spanish word for "lawbreaker" would be "infractor" or "delincuente" or "transgresor". The most faithful translation remains: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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In support of María’s answer.
We must remember that the meaning of words change with the pass of time; please see the current meaning of “outlaw”, not only its original meaning.
Best regards,
Manuel
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Quick definitions (Outlaw)
• noun: someone who has committed (or been legally convicted of) a crime
• verb: declare illegal; outlaw
http://www.onelook.com/?w=outlaw&ls=a
Main Entry: 1out•law
Pronunciation: 'aut-"lo
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English outlawe, from Old English utlaga, from Old Norse utlagi, from ut out (akin to Old English ut out) + lag-, log law -- more at OUT, LAW
1 : a person excluded from the benefit or protection of the law
2 a : a lawless person or a fugitive from the law b : a person or organization under a ban or restriction c : one that is unconventional or rebellious
3 : an animal (as a horse) that is wild and unmanageable
- outlaw adjective
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=out...
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
outlaw
SYLLABICATION: out•law
PRONUNCIATION: out lô
NOUN: 1a. A fugitive from the law. b. A habitual criminal. c. A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw. 2. A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights. 3. A wild or vicious horse or other animal.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: out•lawed, out•law•ing, out•laws
1. To declare illegal: outlawed the sale of firearms. 2. To place under a ban; prohibit: outlawed smoking in the house. 3. To deprive (one declared to be a criminal fugitive) of the protection of the law.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English outlaue, from Old English tlaga, from Old Norse tlagi, from tlagr, outlawed, banished : t, out; see ud- in Appendix I + lög, law; see legh- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: out law —ADJECTIVE
WORD HISTORY: The word outlaw brings to mind the cattle rustlers and gunslingers of the Wild West, but it comes to us from a much earlier time, when guns were not yet invented but cattle stealing was. Outlaw can be traced back to the Old Norse word tlagr, “outlawed, banished,” made up of t, “out,” and lög, “law.” An tlagi (derived from tlagr) was someone outside the protection of the law. The Scandinavians, who invaded and settled in England during the 8th through the 11th century, gave us the Old English word tlaga, which designated someone who because of criminal acts had to give up his property to the crown and could be killed without recrimination. The legal status of the outlaw became less severe over the course of the Middle Ages. However, the looser use of the word to designate criminals in general, which arose in Middle English, lives on in tales of the Wild West.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/10/O0161000.html
All the best,
Manuel
Best regards,
Manuel
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Quick definitions (Outlaw)
• noun: someone who has committed (or been legally convicted of) a crime
• verb: declare illegal; outlaw
http://www.onelook.com/?w=outlaw&ls=a
Main Entry: 1out•law
Pronunciation: 'aut-"lo
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English outlawe, from Old English utlaga, from Old Norse utlagi, from ut out (akin to Old English ut out) + lag-, log law -- more at OUT, LAW
1 : a person excluded from the benefit or protection of the law
2 a : a lawless person or a fugitive from the law b : a person or organization under a ban or restriction c : one that is unconventional or rebellious
3 : an animal (as a horse) that is wild and unmanageable
- outlaw adjective
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=out...
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
outlaw
SYLLABICATION: out•law
PRONUNCIATION: out lô
NOUN: 1a. A fugitive from the law. b. A habitual criminal. c. A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw. 2. A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights. 3. A wild or vicious horse or other animal.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: out•lawed, out•law•ing, out•laws
1. To declare illegal: outlawed the sale of firearms. 2. To place under a ban; prohibit: outlawed smoking in the house. 3. To deprive (one declared to be a criminal fugitive) of the protection of the law.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English outlaue, from Old English tlaga, from Old Norse tlagi, from tlagr, outlawed, banished : t, out; see ud- in Appendix I + lög, law; see legh- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: out law —ADJECTIVE
WORD HISTORY: The word outlaw brings to mind the cattle rustlers and gunslingers of the Wild West, but it comes to us from a much earlier time, when guns were not yet invented but cattle stealing was. Outlaw can be traced back to the Old Norse word tlagr, “outlawed, banished,” made up of t, “out,” and lög, “law.” An tlagi (derived from tlagr) was someone outside the protection of the law. The Scandinavians, who invaded and settled in England during the 8th through the 11th century, gave us the Old English word tlaga, which designated someone who because of criminal acts had to give up his property to the crown and could be killed without recrimination. The legal status of the outlaw became less severe over the course of the Middle Ages. However, the looser use of the word to designate criminals in general, which arose in Middle English, lives on in tales of the Wild West.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/10/O0161000.html
All the best,
Manuel
Peer comment(s):
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Marcelo González
: With all due respect, common usage, in this context, "trumps" prescriptive authority. On hearing "outlaws" (the noun) many native speakers will always think of "Cowboys and Indians" and the Hollywood-hyped Jessie James. :-)
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Thank you for your comment, Marcelo; I will bear it in mind.
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who would take the law in their own hands
Many interesting suggestions, but IN THIS CONTEXT, speaking of an attempt on the guy's life, I believe the intent of the author is slightly different from the literal meaning of the expression. He/she is not speaking of criminal elements generically, but rather people who feel strongly enough to take action outside the law. This is my take on the overall meaning of the text.
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anarchists
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who undermine the law
to emphasize the chaotic/destructive nature of such action
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outside the law; illegal
The expression refers to someone acting outside the law, an outlaw. If someone doesn't act according to the law, then their actions are outside the law or illegal.
Example sentence:
[...] juzgamiento de los crímenes cometidos contra la población civil por miembros de grupos armados al margen de la ley en Colombia.
[...] designed to prosecute crimes committed against the civilian population by armed groups operating outside the law in Colombia.
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