Feb 26, 2016 13:59
8 yrs ago
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French term
Multilingual academic lawyer
Native in: English (Variant: Scottish) 
, Italian
Works in: Italian to English, German to English, French to English, and 3 more.
valant pour simple
French to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
power of attorney
appearing at the start of a power of attorney:
PROCURATION
en dix exemplaires valant pour simple
Les soussignées......
PROCURATION
en dix exemplaires valant pour simple
Les soussignées......
Proposed translations
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| 4 +1 | each of which shall be deemed an original. |
Ana Vozone
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| 4 +1 | to be considered as uncertified |
Adrian MM. (X)
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Proposed translations
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Ana Vozone
Works in field
Will do!
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: European/Portugal) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, French to Portuguese, German to Portuguese, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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each of which shall be deemed an original.
You would normally use an expression similar to the one below, with the required adaptations:
signed in ten counterparts, each to be deemed an original
https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
signed in ten counterparts, each to be deemed an original
https://www.google.pt/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&es...
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: How do you link that to the French?// A bit of a risky leap from "valant pour simple" to "valant chacun original"!
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A similar example: Ainsi fait à Kinshasa (République Démocratique du Congo), en dix exemplaires valant chacun original, à la date du 02 décembre 2015.//You need to look at the whole sentence in French to see that my suggestion is relevant.
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Germaine
: C'est le sens, bien qu'il serait plus précis de lire "réputés constituer un seul et même instrument" (all such counterparts shall be deemed a single instrument).
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Thank you for agreeing that I understood the sentence correctly.
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Ben Gaia
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Thank you, Ben!
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to be considered as uncertified
en dix exemplaires > in ten engrossed parts: not counterparts as, in yer actual EN legal practice, there must be one orginal.
exemplaire or copie simple means unregd. contrary to the 2nd web ref.
Lettre simple also means an unregd. letter.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-26 15:10:54 GMT)
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... and plain copies....
exemplaire or copie simple means unregd. contrary to the 2nd web ref.
Lettre simple also means an unregd. letter.
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Note added at 1 hr (2016-02-26 15:10:54 GMT)
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... and plain copies....
Peer comment(s):
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Germaine
: I can't see how you can go from "ten copies considered as [a single] one" (valant simple = 1) to "considered uncertified". Why not "deemed a single instrument"? // Back translation will never get to "valant simple".
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because there is no original if there are 10 counterparts = 10 copies.//Then translate 'uncertified, plain copy' or 'unregistered post' back into French.
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AllegroTrans
: each to be considered as uncertified
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Thanks.
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Daryo
: doesn't make much sense - how an "uncertified copy" can be of any use to someone to prove that she/he has been given power of attorney? What would be the point of having 10 unusable copies? + can't see a link between your refs and your translation
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Just consider the waste of time certifying ten copies. It's a practical point.
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Discussion
I wonder if you agree and how you might say this more succintly in English
Regards
If you
On ne mentionne nulle part "original" dans cette introduction:
Procuration en dix exemplaires valant pour simple = Procuration [établie] en dix exemplaires valant pour un seul [exemplaire]. Le sens est nettement celui de "in 10 counterparts [all] deemed to be a single instrument".
Dans l'usage, on fait une différence, en français, entre "exemplaire" (document vierge) et "copie" (photocopie d'un document final).
Exemplaires is counterparts, the rest seems pretty clear.
without a Power of Attorney, D.R.I. will represent itself for this service as “Credit Counselor” for. Buyer, acting .... This Contract may be signed in counterparts, with all signed counterparts constituting one.
... and Taxation and/or any legal documents required, such as a Power of Attorney or Deed. Property: ..... This Agreement may be signed in counterparts, which together shall constitute one agreement.
State of California and has the independent power and authority to protect the environment and .... This MOU may be signed in counterparts, each of which shall be deemed an original. EDMUND G.