Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
emprisonnement ... réclusion
English translation:
imprisonment...extended imprisonment
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Marc Vitale
Mar 29, 2005 15:33
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emprisonnement ... réclusion
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Text is from a Swiss confidentiality agreement and says:
..."celui qui aura rendu accessible un secret de fabrication ou d'affaires à un organisme officiel ou privé étranger ... sera puni de l'emprisonnement ou, dans le cas graves, de la réclusion."
My question is "what's the difference between emprisonnement and réclusion?", don't they both mean imprisonment?
..."celui qui aura rendu accessible un secret de fabrication ou d'affaires à un organisme officiel ou privé étranger ... sera puni de l'emprisonnement ou, dans le cas graves, de la réclusion."
My question is "what's the difference between emprisonnement and réclusion?", don't they both mean imprisonment?
Proposed translations
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| 4 | imprisonment...extended imprisonment |
Charlotte Allen
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| 5 | imprisonment, confinement |
Pierre POUSSIN
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| 5 | given a prison sentence...given a long prison sentence |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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| 3 +1 | see explanation |
Nick Somers (X)
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| 3 | imprisonment, imprisonment at hard labor |
Luiza Modesto
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Charlotte Allen
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French term (edited):
emprisonnement ... r�clusion
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imprisonment...extended imprisonment
Another option - 'extended imprisonment' is one of the options suggested by my legal dictionary (after 'imprisonment (for more than five years)'). The Swiss Penal Code indicates that they have different rules for the duration of imprisonment that qualifies for classification as 'emprisonnement' or 'réclusion' (emprisonnement is only up to three years in Swiss law if I have understood it correctly), so using a more vague term will get you off the hook.
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Comment: "Thanks Charlotte, I like this formula, and thank you to everyone else for their helpful comments too."
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Luiza Modesto
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French term (edited):
emprisonnement ... r�clusion
imprisonment, imprisonment at hard labor
According to "Petit Robert", "emprisonnement" is imprisonment and "réclusion" is imprisonment with forced labor.
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Pierre POUSSIN
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French term (edited):
emprisonnement ... r�clusion
imprisonment, confinement
Which is better? It may be "Life imprisonment"!
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I think confinment is much shorter.
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Sorry \"P\" for Pamela
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I think confinment is much shorter.
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Sorry \"P\" for Pamela
Peer comment(s):
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Pamela Boutin-Bird
: But is réclusion not more specifically 'solitary' confinement
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Yes agreed! Thanks pamela!
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Nick Somers (X)
: It appears that emprisonnement is shorter than réculsion, but I don't think this difference is reflected in imprisonment vs. confinement // Sorry to be so hard, but confidence 5 is always a red rag to this bull! ;-))
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You are a bit "stiff" with your "disagree" but I think you are right!
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French term (edited):
emprisonnement ... r�clusion
see explanation
According to the site I've found, emprisonnement is less than 5 years, réclusion more than 5 years.
If this is right, you'd probably have to be specific in the translation: "imprisonment of up to 5 years, or over 5 years in serious cases" or something like that.
http://menneskeret.dk/menneskeretieuropa/konventionen/baggru...
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Here\'s another site which discusses the difference
http://en.lingo24.com/articles/Pitfalls_in_Legal_Translation...
This one says up to 10 years and over 10 years.
The definition also depends on the country.
Good luck!
If this is right, you'd probably have to be specific in the translation: "imprisonment of up to 5 years, or over 5 years in serious cases" or something like that.
http://menneskeret.dk/menneskeretieuropa/konventionen/baggru...
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Here\'s another site which discusses the difference
http://en.lingo24.com/articles/Pitfalls_in_Legal_Translation...
This one says up to 10 years and over 10 years.
The definition also depends on the country.
Good luck!
Peer comment(s):
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Charlotte Allen
: Council of Europe Legal Dictionary says "imprisonment (for more than five years)". But I suspect this is for French law, not Swiss specifically.
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French term (edited):
emprisonnement ... r�clusion
given a prison sentence...given a long prison sentence
is the difference..and reclusion a perpietuity is prison for life
though reclusion can be solitary confinement
your choice of course..
though reclusion can be solitary confinement
your choice of course..
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