Feb 12, 2005 16:35
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Italian term

ammesso e non concesso

Italian to English Law/Patents Law (general) Criminal
The context is a judgment in criminal proceedings at the Federal Criminal Court (Corte delle Assise Criminali) in Ticino, Switzerland.

There are two instances of the phrase:

[…] ammesso e non concesso che ancora a fine di maggio 2003 essi nutrissero fieri dubbi sulla sua attività di riciclatore di narcodollari […]

Dall' insieme delle circostanze (ammesso e non concesso che ancora nessuno ne parlasse apertamente) era ormai più che evidente che […]

The obvious translation would be "admitted and not conceded", but I can't help thinking that these two verbs are synonymous in this context. If the Defendants are "admitting" that certain facts are true, then surely they are at the same time "conceding" that they are true. Or am I missing something?

I would be grateful for any guidance as to how to interpret the phrase as a whole.

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Feb 13, 2005:
Thank you Federica, all useful information.
Federica D'Alessio Feb 12, 2005:
Hi, I would suggest you to edit your question into "General" or "Conversations" (I don't remember categories well...sorry), because this expression is pretty colloquial in Italian, not at all a "juridic idiolect". Bye!
Non-ProZ.com Feb 12, 2005:
Thank you Andreina, I hadn't even thought of that interpretation. Very helpful!

Proposed translations

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KLS: You\'re very welcome ;-)
Peer comment(s):

agree Federica D'Alessio
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Grazie Federica
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