Nov 24, 2004 08:06
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C.ti
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Hi folks
This appears at the foot of a corporate document registered in 1912 as follows:
ISSUED in Rome on 14th January 1912
Signed Vittorio Emanuele
C.ti Nitti - Sacchi
I know that Nitti and Sacchi were ministers at that time, but I can't fathom the abbreviation.
Any ideas?
Thanks indeed
Derek
This appears at the foot of a corporate document registered in 1912 as follows:
ISSUED in Rome on 14th January 1912
Signed Vittorio Emanuele
C.ti Nitti - Sacchi
I know that Nitti and Sacchi were ministers at that time, but I can't fathom the abbreviation.
Any ideas?
Thanks indeed
Derek
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +3 | countersigned |
Richard Boyce
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| 5 | Comandanti / Commanders - Captains / Masters |
Emanuela Galdelli
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| 1 | consulenti |
Laura Lucardini
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| 1 | Committenti, Convenuti |
Maurizio Valente
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Proposed translations
+3
2 hrs
Selected
countersigned
"Controfirmati" This seems the most logical explanation to me, i.e. the 2 ministers also signed the document.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Grace Anderson
4 mins
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| agree |
Jane Griffiths (X)
: Yes, this seems most likely in this context. C.te can also be an abbreviation for Conte, but Nitti and Sacchi don't appear to have been counts, so that won't do.
14 mins
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| neutral |
Emanuela Galdelli
: it could be that, but in Italian normally we say controfirmatO DA and then MINISTRO etc, not controfirmatI; unless you say controfirmantI; controfirmati is not a correct Italian , unless there were 2 or more documents! / Richard, see above
21 mins
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agree with what you say, but the sense of "c.ti" is that the two persons mentioned also signed.
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| agree |
Laura Lucardini
: controfirmatari
2 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks Richard and all other contributors, endorsers and commentators, the Italian is obviously suspect, but I agree that Richard's intuition is the most fitting in the context.
Respect
Derek"
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Emanuela Galdelli
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63
Comandanti / Commanders - Captains / Masters
see http://utenti.lycos.it/sailorssafespot/Schede/Bisso.htm
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?board=6;action=display...
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Note added at 14 mins (2004-11-24 08:21:36 GMT)
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c.te: comandante
c.ti: comandanti
http://www.vecio.it/salsa.htm
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?board=12;action=displa...
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?board=6;action=display...
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Note added at 14 mins (2004-11-24 08:21:36 GMT)
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c.te: comandante
c.ti: comandanti
http://www.vecio.it/salsa.htm
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?board=12;action=displa...
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Jane Griffiths (X)
: True, but I don't think it works here, since as far as I know they were politicians, not in the army or navy.
2 hrs
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15 mins
consulenti
I'm just guessing. Sometimes this abbreviation follows personal names which form part of a company name (e.g. Ditta Di Gregorio e C.ti).
29 mins
Maurizio Valente
Italy
Italy
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Assurance of a job well done
Native in: Italian
Works in: English to Italian, French to Italian, Italian to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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42
Committenti, Convenuti
Just to make you even more confused ;-)
Discussion
The King was "F.to" so as you say, the Italian looks dodgy for "Controfirmati", but it seems to make sense so I suppose it could be "controfirmatari" or even an error by the person who drafted the document...
Respect DVS