Oct 30, 2014 17:07
9 yrs ago
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Spanish term
camaroncillo
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Food & Drink
It is describing the seafood of Chompoton in Campeche state, Mexico.
Google has 'squat lobster' which I don't think is right??
Google has 'squat lobster' which I don't think is right??
Proposed translations
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4 +1 | small shrimp | Charles Davis |
4 +1 | Atlantic seabob/seabob shrimp | Karen Dinicola |
3 | Crayfish | jude dabo |
References
finding only | liz askew |
Proposed translations
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small shrimp
Fish (and seafood) names are notoriously variable by country and even by region, and we cannot rely on camaroncillo meaning the same in Mexico as elsewhere, or even in every part of Mexico.
I have found one reference from Campeche itself, in a book entitled Geografía y estadística del estado de Campeche, in which "camaroncillo" is identified as Gammarus fasciatus.
http://www.culturacampeche.com/acervo/html/199-GeografiaEsta...
Gammarus fasciatus is a small freshwater shrimp:
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=26
I wouldn't necessarily rely absolutely on this. It seems a little odd, actually, since this shrimp likes cold water and is found mostly in the northern US.
On the other hand, this other Mexican source, which identifies camaroncillos as carídeos.
http://docencia.izt.uam.mx/gcja/uueeaa2/practicas/practicas....
This leaves the field wide open, because Caridea are a large family of shrimps, both marine and freshwater, which are generally known in Spanish as camarones or quisquillas.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caridea
The same Mexican sources mentioned identifies camarones as penaeidos, which are Penaeidae, a family of marine crustaceans including tiger prawns.
So honestly all we can really say is that camaroncillos are small shrimp, possibly but not definitely freshwater.
Frankly it's the kind of term that could refer to any number of species, and I think a very general term in English is probably called for here.
I have found one reference from Campeche itself, in a book entitled Geografía y estadística del estado de Campeche, in which "camaroncillo" is identified as Gammarus fasciatus.
http://www.culturacampeche.com/acervo/html/199-GeografiaEsta...
Gammarus fasciatus is a small freshwater shrimp:
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=26
I wouldn't necessarily rely absolutely on this. It seems a little odd, actually, since this shrimp likes cold water and is found mostly in the northern US.
On the other hand, this other Mexican source, which identifies camaroncillos as carídeos.
http://docencia.izt.uam.mx/gcja/uueeaa2/practicas/practicas....
This leaves the field wide open, because Caridea are a large family of shrimps, both marine and freshwater, which are generally known in Spanish as camarones or quisquillas.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caridea
The same Mexican sources mentioned identifies camarones as penaeidos, which are Penaeidae, a family of marine crustaceans including tiger prawns.
So honestly all we can really say is that camaroncillos are small shrimp, possibly but not definitely freshwater.
Frankly it's the kind of term that could refer to any number of species, and I think a very general term in English is probably called for here.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks very much to you and all. According to the client in Mexico 'baby shrimp' works but as this is such a nebulous term I won't post it to the glossary"
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Crayfish
my sugg
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41 mins
Atlantic seabob/seabob shrimp
I found this scientific name in the Web reference listed: Xiphopenaeus kroyeri
It appears to correspond to the Atlantic seabob.
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-10-30 18:51:51 GMT)
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See the following:
The seabob fleet. In Del Carmen city, Campeche state, 200–300 small craft target Atlantic seabob (Xiphopenaeus kroyeri). These vessels range from 6 to 9 m in length overall, and are equipped 45–65 HP outboard engines and trawl nets with headropes of 7.6–10.6 m.
ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/011/i0300e/i0300e02b.pdf
It appears to correspond to the Atlantic seabob.
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Note added at 1 hr (2014-10-30 18:51:51 GMT)
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See the following:
The seabob fleet. In Del Carmen city, Campeche state, 200–300 small craft target Atlantic seabob (Xiphopenaeus kroyeri). These vessels range from 6 to 9 m in length overall, and are equipped 45–65 HP outboard engines and trawl nets with headropes of 7.6–10.6 m.
ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/011/i0300e/i0300e02b.pdf
Peer comment(s):
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philgoddard
: Though this may be too scientific, depending on the context.
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neutral |
Charles Davis
: You would need to show that the name applies to this species in this part of Mexico, as well as Nicaragua, and the evidence I have been finding is to the contrary. // Fair enough; you could be right.
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Valid consideration. However, to your point, see note added.
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Reference comments
5 mins
Reference:
finding only
Burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps | El Pulgarcito | ForkJoy
forkjoy.com › Restaurants › El Pulgarcito
burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps. NR. not rated. burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps at El Pulgarcito. Upload a photo. burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps ...
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Note added at 5 mins (2014-10-30 17:13:27 GMT)
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Individual: ID_31005_16649 - AIMS
aims.fao.org/sites/default/.../ID_31005_16649___-1549756557.html
http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/fi/species_taxonomic.owl#ID_3100... Annotations (3). label: "Alamang shrimp" (en); label: "Camaroncillo alama" (es); label: ...
[PDF]Shrimps and Prawns
www.fao.org/3/a-w7192e/w7192e13.pdf
by TY Chan - Cited by 69 - Related articles
Shrimps and prawns constitute a large group of crustaceans with an ..... En - Tsivakihini paste shrimp; Fr - Chevrette tsivakihini; Sp - Camaroncillo tsivakihini.
forkjoy.com › Restaurants › El Pulgarcito
burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps. NR. not rated. burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps at El Pulgarcito. Upload a photo. burritos - camaroncillo/baby shrimps ...
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Note added at 5 mins (2014-10-30 17:13:27 GMT)
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Individual: ID_31005_16649 - AIMS
aims.fao.org/sites/default/.../ID_31005_16649___-1549756557.html
http://www.fao.org/aims/aos/fi/species_taxonomic.owl#ID_3100... Annotations (3). label: "Alamang shrimp" (en); label: "Camaroncillo alama" (es); label: ...
[PDF]Shrimps and Prawns
www.fao.org/3/a-w7192e/w7192e13.pdf
by TY Chan - Cited by 69 - Related articles
Shrimps and prawns constitute a large group of crustaceans with an ..... En - Tsivakihini paste shrimp; Fr - Chevrette tsivakihini; Sp - Camaroncillo tsivakihini.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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philgoddard
: Camarón is what the Americans call a shrimp and you call a prawn, so "baby shrimp" would work.
6 mins
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agree |
MPGS
: :-)
18 mins
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agree |
Evelyne Daniline - Pleckanoff
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