Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

aussi longtemps que celles-ci ne sont pas exigibles

English translation:

until (pension) entitlement is reached

Added to glossary by Wendy Streitparth
Aug 19, 2014 11:26
9 yrs ago
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French term

aussi longtemps que celles-ci ne sont pas exigibles

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general) Pension fund
This is one of the clauses of a company's pension fund (Switzerland; Fondation de Prevoyance Professionnelle):

Le droit aux prestations ne peut être ni cédé ni mis en gage aussi longtemps que celles-ci ne sont pas exigibles, sous réserve des mesures d'encouragement à la propriété du logement.

So: a benefits entitlement cannot be transferred/pledged for as long as.... and that's where I come up short!

It would make sense that once the employee is receiving the benefits, he cannot pledge his entitlement to them. It would also make sense if an employee cannot pledge his entitlement to benefits until that entitlement actually takes effect (i.e. he has an entitlement to disability benefits, but until he is actually disabled, that entitlement hasn't taken effect).

Grammatically, the sentence is confusing me and I would appreciate some assistance.

Many thanks.
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Aug 26, 2014 08:14: Wendy Streitparth Created KOG entry

Discussion

Germaine Aug 19, 2014:
En d'autres mots:
aussi longtemps que celles-ci ne sont pas exigibles = le bénéficiaire n'a pas le droit de céder/nantir son droit aux prestations avant d'avoir le droit d'exiger le paiement de sa pension (selon le barème et la fréquence (hebdo, mensuelle) prévus par le régime). So one cannot transfer or pledge his benefits entitlement until such benefits actually become payable, except under the housing program.

Le Québec dispose d'un programme similaire: une personne peut emprunter (en franchise d'impôt) sur son fonds de retraite la mise de fonds nécessaire à l'achat d'une première résidence à condition qu'elle rembourse au fonds de retraite en question la somme ainsi prélevée dans les dix ans qui suivent l'emprunt.
Daryo Aug 19, 2014:
Thanks for the clarification - that's more or less what I guessed.

"sous réserve des mesures d'encouragement à la propriété du logement." is an exception to this rule, but that doesn't change anything to the translation of the first part of the sentence.

More precisely:
an employee can not draw on his pension nor mortgage it before retirement age unless/except in order to help fund the purchase of a house. He does this by either giving to someone else the right to collect his benefits once they become due, or pledging his benefits entitlement as collateral on a house purchase
Wendy Cummings (asker) Aug 19, 2014:
Reference In case anyone else wonders the same thing in the future, the pension plan regs state that:

Les fonds de la prévoyance professionnelle peuvent être utilisés pour [...] acquérir ou construire un logement en propriété privée [...], amortir ou rembourser des prêts hypothécaires....

So basically, an employee can draw on his pension before retirement age in order to help fund the purchase of a house. He does this by either requesting payment of his vested benefits, or pledging his benefits entitlement as collateral on a house purchase
philgoddard Aug 19, 2014:
I take it to mean that the benefits are actually being paid out. Obviously they can do what they like with the money while they're receiving it, but they can't give away the right to receive it at some future date.
I assume the last bit means "except as a contribution to a home ownership scheme".
Wendy Cummings (asker) Aug 19, 2014:
@Wendy By "due" do you mean owing to the employee I.e. The benefits are actually going to be paid out?
Wendy Cummings (asker) Aug 19, 2014:
@Phil I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's a sort of home ownership/first time buyers incentive scheme.
philgoddard Aug 19, 2014:
Yes You should post that as an answer, Wendy.
But what on earth is the stuff about"propriété du logement"?
Wendy Streitparth Aug 19, 2014:
"until they are due" for starters.

Proposed translations

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until (pension) entitlement is reached

I think this makes it clearer, although it does of course say due or become payable.
Peer comment(s):

agree AllegroTrans : Yes this is clear
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Thanks, Allegro Trans.
agree Paul Stevens
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Thanks, Paul
agree philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you. I avoided the use of "vested", simply because there is potential for confusion with other parts of the translation."
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not before / until these are due; as long as these are not yet due

"Le droit aux prestations ne peut être ni cédé ni mis en gage aussi longtemps que celles-ci ne sont pas exigibles, sous réserve des mesures d'encouragement à la propriété du logement.

"The right (to collect/perceive benefits from this pension scheme) can not be transferred nor mortgaged/used as collateral until they [=the benefits] become due, ..."

IOW you can dispose of "these right to payments" (give them away, use them as collateral ...) ONLY when they become effectively due, i.e. when they are actual rights, and not before that when they are still only future/potential rights to pension payments.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Germaine : I understand: until they become payable. "exigibles" = the payer has reach the age/the time when he/she is allowed to receive the pension.
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yes, another way of saying the same thing- once it's no longer a future right but an actual right
agree Francis Marche
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Merci!
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claimable

this is the sense that "exigible" has for me...
Peer comment(s):

agree Daryo
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as long as [it] is not yet vested

Assuming you are going to go with "benefits entitlement" (singular), which is excellent here IMO.

"vested" is the word you want for time-contingent rights to benefits.
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3 days 23 hrs

Unless and Until

simple suggestion.
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