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Nov 24, 2012 12:44
11 yrs ago
Deutsch term

7x lösbar zu gestalten

Deutsch > Englisch Technik Kraftfahrzeuge/PKW und LKW
From an auto manufacturer's bidding specifications for designing a new car part:

Generelle Anforderungen

Alle Befestigungsteile sind beschädigungsfrei auch nach längerer Laufzeit 7x lösbar zu gestalten (Nacharbeits- und
Reparaturfall).

My rough translation would be
All mounting parts must be designed to be damage -free even after longer cycle storage 7x detachable (in cases of finishing/reworking and repair)
Not sure where the 7x lösbar fits in, especially as the parts are meant to be damage-free! Or is there a hidden meaning?
Proposed translations (Englisch)
4 +1 designed to withstand 7 removal cycles
3 +1 constructed to withstand a minimum of seven service cycles
2 to be designed with 7 fixing points

Discussion

Usch Pilz Nov 24, 2012:
@ Andrew I hear you, Andrew.
And you are probably right. Parts should be damage-free at the time of supply. At least we hope so.
Only: To convey the meaning you are describing, the sentence structure of the source text should be slightly different. The 'beschädigungsfrei' should be after '7x'. At the same time we all know that source texts are sometimes less than perfect ... ho-hum.
Lancashireman Nov 24, 2012:
Usch: "parts themselves need to be damage-free" EN 'damage-free' would refer to the state/condition of the parts/components at time of supply. The specifications here require the parts to survive multiple removal/release/detaching 'without being damaged / sustaining damage'.
Usch Pilz Nov 24, 2012:
@ Jon - your question Yes, the parts themselves need to be damage-free. But they still have to be detachable. There might be something behind them that needs repairing. That's how I understand it.
David Moore (X) Nov 24, 2012:
Andrew: I'd prefer to see "removal cycles" than service cycles in your post - who knows, I might even agree! But I'd still like to know what this bit does...
Lancashireman Nov 24, 2012:
Seven not arbitrary Presumably based on service cycle and calculations of fair wear and tear.
David Moore (X) Nov 24, 2012:
@ Andrew: You certainly have a valid point, as it's worded, but it doesn't quite ring true to me - why only "7x", and not more? I can't for the life of me think of anything which would fit that category on a motor vehicle - anyone else help, please?
Lancashireman Nov 24, 2012:
I think you're right It has to be possible to detach and reattach them up to seven times without damaging them (Nacharbeits- und
Reparaturfall) even after they have been on the vehicle for a long time (Laufzeit).

Proposed translations

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8 Stunden
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designed to withstand 7 removal cycles

"All fastenings should be designed to withstand 7 removal cycles without damage, even after a long period in service (refinishing and/or repair"

I believe this refers not to a body part etc. but to the bits that hold it on, e.g. the nuts and bolts retaining a bumper, which must be able to withstand removal and dismantling at least 7 times, e.g. after accidental damage, for towbar fitting etc...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-11-24 21:36:16 GMT)
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"prolonged" period in service would be better, and will someone add a spare bracket after "repair" in the top paragraph? ;-)
Peer comment(s):
agree Trudy Peters : That's how I see it.
19 Stunden
Thanks Trudy, to me this seems to apply to the fasteners for parts which are rarely, but occasionally removed. Nothing to do with servicing.
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19 Min.

to be designed with 7 fixing points

Little more than a guess, I admit, but I'd suggest you use "extended service" rather than "longer cycle storage".

I do however stress this is little more than a guess, as we don't have a clue what the part itself actually IS...
Note from asker:
Thanks, Now it makes sense!!!
Peer comment(s):
neutral Lancashireman : Where do you get multiple fixing points from, David?
12 Min.
Tried reading between the lines, but maybe my eyes aren't quite as good as they were...
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1 Stunde

constructed to withstand a minimum of seven service cycles

Parts must be robustly constructed so as to withstand a minimum of seven service cycles and/or repairs (detach/reattach) without being damaged.

I don't think storage or number of fixing points are at issue here.

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-11-24 13:52:46 GMT)
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Example: Oil sump plug. After many oil changes, the thread starts to wear and you get a leak. Presumably, the client will perform tests and has set the figure seven as a reasonable target over the life of the vehicle.
Peer comment(s):
neutral David Moore (X) : Possibly not the ideal example (our car has had at least 25 oil-changes in its life, all with the same sump-plug - which still doesn't leak!); I wonder - can Jon give us any idea WHAT the part is for?
48 Min.
You're right, of course. 'Removal cycles' fits the bill perfectly, expressing the idea of both servicing and repair. Could also refer to the fastenings.
agree philgoddard
2 Stunden
Thanks, Phil. What's your opinion on the use of numerals for the values one to twelve? Writing '7' here looks pretty sloppy to my way of thinking. However, this has been written by engineers for engineers...
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