Feb 21, 2011 15:14
13 yrs ago
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French term

contrôle permanent

French to English Bus/Financial Finance (general) financial procedures
Salut!

This term is taken from a financial procedures document entitled 'controle permanent - contrat de donation et parrainage'
Can anybody advise on how it best translates to English?

L'objet de ce contrôle permanent est de contrôler et de s'assurer annuellement que tous les contrats de donations et de parrainage ont fait l'objet, conformément à la procédure 'xx'..

Any comments on 'continuous monitoring' ?

Merci!

Discussion

DB-9 (asker) Mar 1, 2011:
Thanks for your help!
rkillings Feb 22, 2011:
continuous vs. ongoing (control) It's continual, but not continuous. Everybody still goes home at night. :-)
The idea is that it's an ongoing function *within the entity*. The periodic control is mostly about bringing in external auditors.
Nothing wrong with 'permanent' in English. We say 'permanent staff', don't we? But 'ongoing' seems to have the edge in authoritative English usage.
Pablo Strauss Feb 22, 2011:
I am far from an expert on this and can't speak to current usage in the financial world. But might there not be a nuance between continuous, meaning without interruption, and ongoing, meaning without end? The latter would seem closer to the FR "permanent."
philgoddard Feb 21, 2011:
Continuous monitoring is fine - why don't you post it as an answer and get some points? :)

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continuous monitoring

Ypu're right. Continuous monitoring is actually a set term used in these contexts and is an accepted term in finance. See wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_monitoring

Ongoing would be understood, as would control, but the accepted term in professional finance is "continuous monitoring".
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agree Philippa Smith
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agree Sarah Bessioud
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agree philgoddard
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neutral rkillings : And this applies to a particular control here whose purpose is 'de contrôler et de s'assurer annuellement' ? That's continuous?
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ongoing monitoring

I think that your answer is fine but 'ongoing' is perhaps a little bit more anglo and sounds less like a translation. Ongoing monitoring is a very common phrase in the world of finance, so you should be fine. A google search should make this clear.
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neutral philgoddard : I think Deanne's suggestion is better because yours has two words ending in "-ing".
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agree Pablo Strauss
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ongoing control

Or 'permanent control', but that is a bit of a calque -- and definitely 'control'. As opposed to periodic control. Reason: these are the two aspects of Internal Control in the accounting regulatory/corporate governance arena (cf. Basel II/III, Sarbanes-Oxley, etc.).

Yes, control *involves* monitoring, but in this case monitoring is merely how the entity exercises its control responsibilities.

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Note added at 7 days (2011-03-01 09:32:39 GMT)
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Yep, "continuous monitoring" may be what you have to *do* in order to have effective ongoing control in place. As the FDIC puts it,
"Maintain effective and ongoing controls for monitoring compliance with loan covenants for the advancement of funds and determination of default conditions, …"

'Ongoing and periodic control' makes a pair with the 'initial, ongoing and periodic disclosure' requirements that also apply, not just to banking and finance but to financial reporting and corporate governance in general.

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Note added at 7 days (2011-03-01 09:53:43 GMT)
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Somehow, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act was written using the word "monitoring" only once and never using the word "continuous" at all. It has more to say about "maintaining internal controls", though.
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