Sep 28, 2010 01:09
13 yrs ago
English term
Dr. Professor John Doe
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This person wants me to proofread a document. He translated it into English. He is a professor in Social Sciences and has a Doctorate degree in various things. He signs as Dr. Professor John Doe. Is this correct?
Responses
5 +11 | No | Rowan Morrell |
4 +3 | John Doe PhD Professor of ... | Andrea Viaggio |
5 +1 | Professor John Doe, PhD | Liliana Galiano |
4 +1 | John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc. | Jennifer Levey |
Change log
Sep 28, 2010 01:13: Travelin Ann changed "Language pair" from "Spanish to English" to "English"
Responses
+11
3 mins
Selected
No
English doesn't combine titles the way some languages do (I am regularly confronted by this when translating German texts). Call him Professor John Doe, or Dr John Doe, but not both. Or perhaps Professor John Doe, PhD (which would be a reasonably neat way to get both titles in).
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Andreas Hild
6 mins
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agree |
Eileen Banks
39 mins
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agree |
Lydia De Jorge
2 hrs
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agree |
Joyce A
3 hrs
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agree |
Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.
3 hrs
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agree |
Phong Le
6 hrs
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agree |
B D Finch
: I think it is just assumed that you need a PhD to be a professor, so using both titles looks insecure.
7 hrs
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agree |
Polangmar
11 hrs
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agree |
Richard McDorman
14 hrs
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agree |
humbird
: Agree with "Professor John Doe, PhD". Although wondering if there should be "s" after PhD in this case as this person has multiple doctoral degrees.
15 hrs
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agree |
jccantrell
17 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Professor John Doe, PhD, your last option, sounds good. He wants both things to appear."
+3
17 mins
John Doe PhD Professor of ...
Not sure enough but ...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Sheila Wilson
: Certainly a possibility next to the signature, probably followed by the university
8 hrs
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agree |
Polangmar
11 hrs
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neutral |
Neil Ashby
: We don't say it like that in the UK, maybe in the US. Mr Smith, Dr Smith, Professor Smith, it's his title. Anyone heard of Professor Lord Winston - the famous biologist with the moustache?
16 hrs
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agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: Followed not by the university but by the subject he teaches.
18 hrs
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+1
48 mins
John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc.
You say "He signs as Dr. Professor John Doe." That's certainly not correct. He should sign documents as:
John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc.
Bear in mid that 'Dr.' is a substitute for 'Mr.' (or Mrs/Ms/Miss', of course). It is a courtesy title for use by third parties, not something one prefixes blindly to one's own name. Prof(essor) is a job title, and in most English-speaking countries is dropped in favour of academic qualifiers. As Rowan has implied, what's 'normal' in other countries/cultures doesn't always migrate well into English - and the over-use of these qualifiers can seem over-the-top to sensitive Anglo-Saxons. Not without reason that many of the UKs top surgeons, for example, are simply 'Mr. Smith.'
John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc.
Bear in mid that 'Dr.' is a substitute for 'Mr.' (or Mrs/Ms/Miss', of course). It is a courtesy title for use by third parties, not something one prefixes blindly to one's own name. Prof(essor) is a job title, and in most English-speaking countries is dropped in favour of academic qualifiers. As Rowan has implied, what's 'normal' in other countries/cultures doesn't always migrate well into English - and the over-use of these qualifiers can seem over-the-top to sensitive Anglo-Saxons. Not without reason that many of the UKs top surgeons, for example, are simply 'Mr. Smith.'
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Sheila Wilson
: Never a title next to a signature, unless there is an over-riding reason. The PhD after tells the reader this person is entitled to use Dr as their title
7 hrs
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neutral |
Neil Ashby
: My 2 PhD supervisors at uni are Prof XXXXX, Phd, MSc, etc. Professor is awarded by scientific peers for many years of high level research. It is of higher esteem than Doctor, to which a Prof would not use the title 'doctor' after receiving the title Prof
16 hrs
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+1
12 hrs
Professor John Doe, PhD
...
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Neil Ashby
: My 2 PhD supervisors at uni are Prof XXXXX, Phd, MSc, etc. Professor is awarded by scientific peers for many years of high level research. It is of higher esteem than Doctor, to which a Prof would not use the title 'doctor' after receiving the title Prof
4 hrs
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Thanks.
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Discussion
He is a Professor, when he has been teaching at a German university.
If both of these applies, he is a Prof. Dr. ..., and this is quite correct.
Nobody, who is in the know, would call himself a Dr. Prof. - quite unusual.
In the Netherlands a 'doctorandus' is a person, who has studied and has now the right to register for a doctoral dissertation, if he wants to do so. But he has not yet completed the doctorate.
Professor title confered to the holder of a tenure track position (lifelong employment) and in the German speaking countries with another thesis (higher requirements than doctoral dissertation) called Habilitation. When he/she have got the qualification, they are entitled to write Dr.habil. - they can teach, but haven't got the title of a Professor so far, this applies only when (in Germany) one of the 17 Ministries for Science and Higher Education confer the title. Then they are both, ususally Prof.Dr. Adam Smith etc.
It is true, that most of the professors are doctors, but outstanding managers or engineers can be Professor without the earned doctorate. An experienced captain of big vessels can become Prof. Kapitän .... An outstanding artist could become Professor (John Lennon or Yehudi Menuhin would not need an earned doctorate).
There are more exceptions, but this is the framework.