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Sep 28, 2010 01:09
13 yrs ago
English term

Dr. Professor John Doe

English Social Sciences Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs TITLES
This person wants me to proofread a document. He translated it into English. He is a professor in Social Sciences and has a Doctorate degree in various things. He signs as Dr. Professor John Doe. Is this correct?
Change log

Sep 28, 2010 01:13: Travelin Ann changed "Language pair" from "Spanish to English" to "English"

Discussion

Werner Walther Sep 29, 2010:
.... The person in question is a Dr. when he has completed a doctoral dissertation and has a earned doctorate from Germany or an authorized transcription from a foreign university.
He is a Professor, when he has been teaching at a German university.
If both of these applies, he is a Prof. Dr. ..., and this is quite correct.

Nobody, who is in the know, would call himself a Dr. Prof. - quite unusual.
Werner Walther Sep 29, 2010:
Warning - false friends! In France, Spain and in Italy, every teacher (primary or even kindergarten) is a professeur (France), professor (Spain and Latin America) or a professore (Italy), not as a title, but as the profession's name. In France also professeur = enseignant.

In the Netherlands a 'doctorandus' is a person, who has studied and has now the right to register for a doctoral dissertation, if he wants to do so. But he has not yet completed the doctorate.
Werner Walther Sep 29, 2010:
Doktor and Professor in the German speaking world Dr. - earned doctorate (Dr.med. / Dr.phil. / Dr.-Ing. etc.) with a thesis (Dissertation) and an examination.

Professor title confered to the holder of a tenure track position (lifelong employment) and in the German speaking countries with another thesis (higher requirements than doctoral dissertation) called Habilitation. When he/she have got the qualification, they are entitled to write Dr.habil. - they can teach, but haven't got the title of a Professor so far, this applies only when (in Germany) one of the 17 Ministries for Science and Higher Education confer the title. Then they are both, ususally Prof.Dr. Adam Smith etc.

It is true, that most of the professors are doctors, but outstanding managers or engineers can be Professor without the earned doctorate. An experienced captain of big vessels can become Prof. Kapitän .... An outstanding artist could become Professor (John Lennon or Yehudi Menuhin would not need an earned doctorate).

There are more exceptions, but this is the framework.
Laura Hercha (asker) Sep 29, 2010:
He went to Germany and he acquired this titles. He says that in Germany is common to use Professor Dr., or Dr. Professor.
Werner Walther Sep 29, 2010:
The gentleman and his titles ... ... are from which country? A bit unusual, this composition, for all countries I know (Germany, UK, EU).
Anna Herbst Sep 29, 2010:
Is he a full professor? There is a problem with the American style of naming everyone who teaches at a university "professor". Unless the person actually has a chair, I believe the correct US style would be John Doe, PhD. If he is a full professor, his title would be Professor John Doe - no need for further qualifications.
Travelin Ann Sep 28, 2010:
In US English, no. Depending on the context, one MIGHT use "Professor John Doe, PhD" or Professor John Doe M D" but rarely.

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No

English doesn't combine titles the way some languages do (I am regularly confronted by this when translating German texts). Call him Professor John Doe, or Dr John Doe, but not both. Or perhaps Professor John Doe, PhD (which would be a reasonably neat way to get both titles in).
Peer comment(s):

agree Andreas Hild
6 mins
agree Eileen Banks
39 mins
agree Lydia De Jorge
2 hrs
agree Joyce A
3 hrs
agree Zareh Darakjian Ph.D.
3 hrs
agree Phong Le
6 hrs
agree B D Finch : I think it is just assumed that you need a PhD to be a professor, so using both titles looks insecure.
7 hrs
agree Polangmar
11 hrs
agree Richard McDorman
14 hrs
agree humbird : Agree with "Professor John Doe, PhD". Although wondering if there should be "s" after PhD in this case as this person has multiple doctoral degrees.
15 hrs
agree jccantrell
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Professor John Doe, PhD, your last option, sounds good. He wants both things to appear."
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17 mins

John Doe PhD Professor of ...


Not sure enough but ...
Peer comment(s):

agree Sheila Wilson : Certainly a possibility next to the signature, probably followed by the university
8 hrs
agree Polangmar
11 hrs
neutral Neil Ashby : We don't say it like that in the UK, maybe in the US. Mr Smith, Dr Smith, Professor Smith, it's his title. Anyone heard of Professor Lord Winston - the famous biologist with the moustache?
16 hrs
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : Followed not by the university but by the subject he teaches.
18 hrs
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48 mins

John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc.

You say "He signs as Dr. Professor John Doe." That's certainly not correct. He should sign documents as:

John Doe, PhD, MA, BSc, etc. etc.

Bear in mid that 'Dr.' is a substitute for 'Mr.' (or Mrs/Ms/Miss', of course). It is a courtesy title for use by third parties, not something one prefixes blindly to one's own name. Prof(essor) is a job title, and in most English-speaking countries is dropped in favour of academic qualifiers. As Rowan has implied, what's 'normal' in other countries/cultures doesn't always migrate well into English - and the over-use of these qualifiers can seem over-the-top to sensitive Anglo-Saxons. Not without reason that many of the UKs top surgeons, for example, are simply 'Mr. Smith.'
Peer comment(s):

agree Sheila Wilson : Never a title next to a signature, unless there is an over-riding reason. The PhD after tells the reader this person is entitled to use Dr as their title
7 hrs
neutral Neil Ashby : My 2 PhD supervisors at uni are Prof XXXXX, Phd, MSc, etc. Professor is awarded by scientific peers for many years of high level research. It is of higher esteem than Doctor, to which a Prof would not use the title 'doctor' after receiving the title Prof
16 hrs
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12 hrs

Professor John Doe, PhD

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Peer comment(s):

agree Neil Ashby : My 2 PhD supervisors at uni are Prof XXXXX, Phd, MSc, etc. Professor is awarded by scientific peers for many years of high level research. It is of higher esteem than Doctor, to which a Prof would not use the title 'doctor' after receiving the title Prof
4 hrs
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