Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
Directeur général non administrateur
English translation:
Non-board member Managing Director
Added to glossary by
Angie Taylor
Oct 4, 2005 13:53
18 yrs ago
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French term
United Kingdom
Directeur général non administrateur
French to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
COMPANY BOARD
I think it means that he is DG but not a Board member. Is this right and is there a proper way of saying it in English?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +6 | Non-board member Managing Director |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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| 4 | Director General |
Virginie Lafage
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| 4 | Non-Executive Chairman (UK)/CEO(US/NAm) |
Conor McAuley
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| 5 -1 | Non-executive Managing Director |
Leveleki
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Change log
Oct 5, 2005 01:55: JCEC changed "Term asked" from "Directeur general non administrateur" to "Directeur g�n�ral non administrateur"
Proposed translations
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French term (edited):
Directeur general non administrateur
Selected
Non-board member Managing Director
A PDG is Chairman and Managing Director {UK) and
Chairman and Executive Director (USA)
non-administrateur is not non-executive...the Managing Director is executive if anyone is...
He or she is Not a Member of the board....
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Note added at 18 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:14 GMT)
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It can also be: non-board Director
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Note added at 19 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:59 GMT)
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It means the person is the TOp Executive in the Company..Runs the Company but does not sit on the board
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Note added at 22 mins (2005-10-04 14:15:43 GMT)
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It's possible to be a MAnaging Director and not be on the board.
It is impossible to be a Managing Director and be non-executive. That is a contradiction in terms...
The hard part here is that non-executive director is used in the UK to mean Board Members who do not actively participate in the day to day management of the company..
cheers
Chairman and Executive Director (USA)
non-administrateur is not non-executive...the Managing Director is executive if anyone is...
He or she is Not a Member of the board....
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Note added at 18 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:14 GMT)
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It can also be: non-board Director
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Note added at 19 mins (2005-10-04 14:12:59 GMT)
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It means the person is the TOp Executive in the Company..Runs the Company but does not sit on the board
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Note added at 22 mins (2005-10-04 14:15:43 GMT)
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It's possible to be a MAnaging Director and not be on the board.
It is impossible to be a Managing Director and be non-executive. That is a contradiction in terms...
The hard part here is that non-executive director is used in the UK to mean Board Members who do not actively participate in the day to day management of the company..
cheers
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
sets
17 mins
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| agree |
writeaway
: yup/managing director who does not have a seat on the board of directors
23 mins
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| agree |
Sylvia Smith
: yes, exactly!
40 mins
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| agree |
Anne McKee
43 mins
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| agree |
Gina W
: exactly
2 hrs
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| agree |
Bourth (X)
: Only the French!
2 hrs
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Indeed...everyone else puts the bloody MD on the board...:)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Yes, this is what I thought. Thanks for confirming it. I guess there is no "pretty" way of saying it. It was a good debate though!"
4 mins
French term (edited):
Directeur general non administrateur
Director General
Director General non administator
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Note added at 7 mins (2005-10-04 14:01:14 GMT)
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This site may help you:
http://www.torbay-pct.nhs.uk/aboutUs/board/members.htm
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Note added at 7 mins (2005-10-04 14:01:14 GMT)
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This site may help you:
http://www.torbay-pct.nhs.uk/aboutUs/board/members.htm
5 mins
Conor McAuley
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Works in: French to English, English
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French term (edited):
Directeur general non administrateur
Non-Executive Chairman (UK)/CEO(US/NAm)
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q="non executive chairman"...
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q="non executive ceo"&meta...
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Note added at 5 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:18 GMT)
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PDG or DG = Company Chairman / CEO
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Note added at 6 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:53 GMT)
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Except for international organisations (NATO, UN etc), where Director-General is used.
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Note added at 23 mins (2005-10-04 14:16:39 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.
This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.
Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.
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Note added at 24 mins (2005-10-04 14:17:42 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.
This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.
Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q="non executive ceo"&meta...
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Note added at 5 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:18 GMT)
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PDG or DG = Company Chairman / CEO
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Note added at 6 mins (2005-10-04 13:59:53 GMT)
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Except for international organisations (NATO, UN etc), where Director-General is used.
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Note added at 23 mins (2005-10-04 14:16:39 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.
This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.
Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.
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Note added at 24 mins (2005-10-04 14:17:42 GMT)
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This paradox (ie non-executive) is, I think, due to corporate structures in the US, where Managing Directors/CEOs are not board members.
This provides added control and improved corporate governance - ie there is an executive decision-making level above the CEO.
Please correct me if this is wrong (I'm more familiar with business structures in Irl and the UK), but I've got a feeling it's accurate.
Peer comment(s):
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Marian Greenfield
2 mins
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Thanks
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| agree |
Elizabeth Slaney
: I agree, although its weird to say a non-executive chief executive officer!
4 mins
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Thanks - see note added
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: No Conor...this is not right..the DG is Managing Director..and he is very executive, as it were. He or she is just not a Board Member...DG is CEO in the US; Managing Director in the UK
7 mins
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See new note
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sets
: Agree with Jane, Chairman is "PDG", here we're simply talking about a managing director who is not a member of the Board
20 mins
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17 mins
French term (edited):
Directeur general non administrateur
Non-executive Managing Director
This is faitly uncommon but it does exist. One has a non-executive Chairman more often.
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Note added at 21 mins (2005-10-04 14:14:53 GMT)
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Reading Jane's note above, I just wanted to add that, in the UK, a non-executive Manging Director can and does exist. It is also worth noting that a non-executive director IS, in actual fact, a member of the Board of Directors of a UK company - as I was on a number of different companies.
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Note added at 25 mins (2005-10-04 14:18:48 GMT)
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Sorry, I meant to say "Non-exectuive Chairman", not MD, does exist. Of course, as Jane says, to say "non-ex MD's would be an anomaly. In this case, I think they must mean Non-ex Chairman" .... except, does a "Chairman", per se, exist in France???
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Note added at 21 mins (2005-10-04 14:14:53 GMT)
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Reading Jane's note above, I just wanted to add that, in the UK, a non-executive Manging Director can and does exist. It is also worth noting that a non-executive director IS, in actual fact, a member of the Board of Directors of a UK company - as I was on a number of different companies.
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Note added at 25 mins (2005-10-04 14:18:48 GMT)
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Sorry, I meant to say "Non-exectuive Chairman", not MD, does exist. Of course, as Jane says, to say "non-ex MD's would be an anomaly. In this case, I think they must mean Non-ex Chairman" .... except, does a "Chairman", per se, exist in France???
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: Impossible..a Managing Director is the Top Executive but does not necessarily have to be a member of the board...not to be confused with non-executive member or director of the board. The MD leads the company not the board; that is the Chairman!! :)
3 mins
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Oh yes, an MD DOES have to be a member of the Board! Any, and every, director IS a member of the "Board of Directors" and the MD is actually the leader of the BoD.
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