Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
recours aux classes
English translation:
falling back upon / (relying upon) / using inclusive categories
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Mar 25, 2018 14:08
6 yrs ago
French term
France
recours aux classes
French to English
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Education / Pedagogy
Psychological report for 18-year old. This part of the report is talking about the verbal comprehension index. I am really not sure what this means. Can anyone help?
"Il réfléchit difficilement et apparait peu précis, aussi perd il de nombreux points pour ne pas avoir été extrêmement précis, la demande de reprécision apparait par ailleurs anxiogène pour *****. Le recours aux classes incluantes est pour autant aisé pour ****, si les précisions ne sont pas demandées.
"Il réfléchit difficilement et apparait peu précis, aussi perd il de nombreux points pour ne pas avoir été extrêmement précis, la demande de reprécision apparait par ailleurs anxiogène pour *****. Le recours aux classes incluantes est pour autant aisé pour ****, si les précisions ne sont pas demandées.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +3 | falling back upon / (relying upon) / using inclusive categories |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 | Following up on / Catching up on his classes |
Lara Barnett
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| 4 | attending remedial classes |
Drmanu49
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References
| http://eduscol.education.fr/experitheque... |
mchd
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| classes incluantes |
ph-b (X)
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Proposed translations
+3
2 hrs
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Specializes in field
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
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French term (edited):
recours aux classes incluantes
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falling back upon / (relying upon) / using inclusive categories
This should be read as indicated, with the term "incluant(es)" being part of the term. Is not about inclusive education, ("classe inclusives", not "incluantes") but about the ability to classify and use categories. This is originally pure ol' Piaget or categorisation and classification.
The verbal comprehension index of the WISC-IV assesses verbal reasoning, understanding and conceptualisation, via 5 subtests:
- SIM : similarities
- VOC : vocabulary
- COM : comprehension
- INF : information
- RVB : verbal reasoning
The protocol for the WISV-IV enables the person having the child pass the test to prompt and encourage in certain circumstances, and in some instances, to suggest a similar category in order to see if the child does actually understand and know what the exercise is getting at.
Here, the child gets anxious when encouraged in this way, although falling back on inclusive categories is easy enough for X, as long as he is not asked to provide details ("le recours aux classes incluantes est pour autant aisé pour ****, si les précisions ne sont pas demandées.").
I admit to having used the WISCV-IV (and V) in clinical situations during internships, not to mention numerous classes and practical sessions in class. It helps in udnerstanding what is going on here.
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A child can sometimes understand the gist of the exercise, without being able to provide precise answers. From a clinical point of view, using classes (categories) can enable the clinician to appreciate a certain level of understanding, particularly where the child does not produce the expected answer. One that is close in terms of meaning can help the clinician to nuance the child's score and provide key information in terms of interpretation of the test results.
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I'm British and originally trained in law and languages, but have since obtained a master's research degree biology and neuroscience, and am currently studying and training to become a clinical psychologist. ;-)
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(The bio/neuro/psycho stuff being done in France). :-)
The verbal comprehension index of the WISC-IV assesses verbal reasoning, understanding and conceptualisation, via 5 subtests:
- SIM : similarities
- VOC : vocabulary
- COM : comprehension
- INF : information
- RVB : verbal reasoning
The protocol for the WISV-IV enables the person having the child pass the test to prompt and encourage in certain circumstances, and in some instances, to suggest a similar category in order to see if the child does actually understand and know what the exercise is getting at.
Here, the child gets anxious when encouraged in this way, although falling back on inclusive categories is easy enough for X, as long as he is not asked to provide details ("le recours aux classes incluantes est pour autant aisé pour ****, si les précisions ne sont pas demandées.").
I admit to having used the WISCV-IV (and V) in clinical situations during internships, not to mention numerous classes and practical sessions in class. It helps in udnerstanding what is going on here.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-03-25 16:27:13 GMT)
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A child can sometimes understand the gist of the exercise, without being able to provide precise answers. From a clinical point of view, using classes (categories) can enable the clinician to appreciate a certain level of understanding, particularly where the child does not produce the expected answer. One that is close in terms of meaning can help the clinician to nuance the child's score and provide key information in terms of interpretation of the test results.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-03-25 16:30:35 GMT)
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I'm British and originally trained in law and languages, but have since obtained a master's research degree biology and neuroscience, and am currently studying and training to become a clinical psychologist. ;-)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-03-25 16:31:19 GMT)
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(The bio/neuro/psycho stuff being done in France). :-)
Note from asker:
| Thank you Nikki for your explanation. It really has helped. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
ph-b (X)
: I don't kinow the subject at all but this is what I understand (roughly) from the refs I posted below.
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Yup, Piaget and all that jazz.
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katsy
: LIke ph-b, didn't know this before, but fine - I had just found a reference https://www.special-learning.com/article/full_scale_intellig... confirming what you say at 16.27
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| agree |
Victoria Britten
22 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks Nikki"
24 mins
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
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Native in: English (Variants: Irish, Singaporean, UK, South African, British, Scottish)
Works in: French to English, Italian to English, Romanian to English, and 2 more.
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Following up on / Catching up on his classes
Maybe it means this.
"Following up on his classes (well)............... when the specifics (or whatever) are not required."
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Drmanu49
: I believe this is the remedial system in specific classes, NOT Following up on his classes.
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But you can follow up in any level, from baby-level to remedial through to advanced. Your comment makes no sense.
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27 mins
attending remedial classes
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/remedial
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If you know that a remedy is a type of medicine, then you have a clue to the meaning of remedial. Like a remedy, remedial classes are supposed to improve you, specifically in school subjects that you haven't done well in. Lately, the term is most often used to describe courses given to students who are not prepared for ...
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Co-enseignement : comment améliorer les conditions d ... - Eduscol
eduscol.education.fr/experitheque/consultFicheIndex.php?idFiche=12676
Co-enseignement : comment améliorer les conditions d'inclusion d'enfants sourds et malentendants en français en classe de CP et développer une culture inclusive .... Certains enseignants d'autres classes incluants également des élèves de cette ULIS ont aussi adapté leur emploi du temps afin de rendre possible cette ...
Traduire cette page
If you know that a remedy is a type of medicine, then you have a clue to the meaning of remedial. Like a remedy, remedial classes are supposed to improve you, specifically in school subjects that you haven't done well in. Lately, the term is most often used to describe courses given to students who are not prepared for ...
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Note added at 31 minutes (2018-03-25 14:40:21 GMT)
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Co-enseignement : comment améliorer les conditions d ... - Eduscol
eduscol.education.fr/experitheque/consultFicheIndex.php?idFiche=12676
Co-enseignement : comment améliorer les conditions d'inclusion d'enfants sourds et malentendants en français en classe de CP et développer une culture inclusive .... Certains enseignants d'autres classes incluants également des élèves de cette ULIS ont aussi adapté leur emploi du temps afin de rendre possible cette ...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
mchd
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Thank you.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: This is not about inclusive education, but about how the "passation" of the WISC-IV can be done. The protocole enables generic prompting to see if the child can in fact understand.
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Reference comments
2 hrs
Reference:
classes incluantes
I don't think it has anything to do with remedial/special classes, etc. - it's about psychology. I read the text as saying that X uses classes incluantes easily, whatever these classes my be and whatever the whole thing means.
Piaget Constructivisme Intelligence: L'avenir d'une théorie
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=2757419129
Annie Chalon-Blanc - 2017 - Education
L'inclusion des sous-classes dans une classe incluante ne peut se lire dans les données car la traduction matérielle de cette notion se fait en deux temps successifs. En un premier temps, le sujet peut constituer des sous-classes spatialement distinctes, et en un second temps les réunir dans la classe incluante avec ...
Études de linguistique et de sémiologie générales
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=2600043047
Luis Jorge Prieto - 1975 - Grammar, Comparative and general
Si, en effet, deux traits dégagés par l'analyse d'un signifié déterminent des classes se trouvant en rapport logique d'inclusion entre elles, la mention de celui qui détermine la classe incluante est superflue, puisqu'il figure nécessairement dans le signifié en question du moment qu'y figure celui qui détermine la classe ...
I think you need a translator who specializes in psychology here.
Piaget Constructivisme Intelligence: L'avenir d'une théorie
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=2757419129
Annie Chalon-Blanc - 2017 - Education
L'inclusion des sous-classes dans une classe incluante ne peut se lire dans les données car la traduction matérielle de cette notion se fait en deux temps successifs. En un premier temps, le sujet peut constituer des sous-classes spatialement distinctes, et en un second temps les réunir dans la classe incluante avec ...
Études de linguistique et de sémiologie générales
https://books.google.fr/books?isbn=2600043047
Luis Jorge Prieto - 1975 - Grammar, Comparative and general
Si, en effet, deux traits dégagés par l'analyse d'un signifié déterminent des classes se trouvant en rapport logique d'inclusion entre elles, la mention de celui qui détermine la classe incluante est superflue, puisqu'il figure nécessairement dans le signifié en question du moment qu'y figure celui qui détermine la classe ...
I think you need a translator who specializes in psychology here.
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