Sep 19, 2013 23:23
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German term

Störer (here)

German to English Other Government / Politics
Da aber, wo **Störer** die internationale Ordnung in Frage stellen; wo sie internationale Grundnormen (etwa das Völkermordverbot oder das Verbot der Anwendung von Massenvernichtungswaffen) verletzen; wo sie Herrschaftsansprüche über Gemeinschaftsräume oder die kritische Infrastruktur der Globalisierung geltend machen, oder gar diese angreifen; wo mit anderen Worten Kompromissangebote oder Streitschlichtung vergeblich sind: Da muss Deutschland bereit und imstande sein, zum Schutz dieser Güter, Normen und Gemeinschaftsinteressen im Rahmen völkerrechtsgemäßer kollektiver Maßnahmen auch militärische Gewalt anzuwenden, oder zumindest glaubwürdig damit drohen zu können.

I am reluctant to use the term 'rogue states', which I believe was coined by the Bush administration. Is there any other term I could use in this context?

Discussion

Lancashireman Sep 24, 2013:
The verb 'to renege' re·nege (r-ng, -ng)
v. re·neged, re·neg·ing, re·neges
v.intr.
1. To fail to carry out a promise or commitment: reneged on the contract at the last minute.
2. Games To fail to follow suit in cards when able and required by the rules to do so.
v.tr.
To renounce; disown.
n.
The act of reneging.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/renege

A 'Störer' may not have signed up to a code of conduct in the first place and cannot therefore be accused of 'renegade' behaviour.
AllegroTrans Sep 20, 2013:
On reflection Rogue states is the best term and I don't think there is a better alternative
Clive Phillips Sep 20, 2013:
rogue states or rogue nations I can think of no better term.
It seems that 'Störer' refers here to states or nations rather than, say, individual terrorists or terrorist bodies.
Certainly I can confirm from first-hand experience that the UK Ministry of Defence was using the term 'rogue state' in 1994-98.
It seems to have been used widely after the end of the Cold War and adopted by the Clinton administration. President Reagan used the term 'outlaw states'.
http://www.americanforeignrelations.com/O-W/Post-cold-War-Po...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_state

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Renegade

Noun 1. rogue state - a state that does not respect other states in its international actions
renegade state, rogue nation
body politic, country, nation, res publica, commonwealth, state, land - a politically organized body of people under a single government; "the state has elected a new president"; "African nations"; "students who had come to the nation's capitol"; "the country's largest manufacturer"; "an industrialized land"
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2012 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.


Princeton's WordNet

rogue state, renegade state, rogue nation(noun)

a state that does not respect other states in its international actions

Synonyms:
rogue state, rogue nation, renegade state

Wiktionary

rogue state(noun)
A state or nation acting outside of the accepted international norms and policies.

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miscreants

I would suggest

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obviously figurative here

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or: trouble makers

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avoids the pointed connotation of "rogue"

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and keeps the idea of "stören"
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agree mill2 : with trouble makers
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disruptive forces

Just another suggestion, if you want something a little vague like the GER. It doesn't pin it down to individuals or nations or, indeed, factions within nations. But is the sort of politico-speak we hear all the time.
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rogue actors

First off, "rogue state" was not coined by the Bush Jr administration. As early as 1993, the DoD was publishing materials referring to "rogue states," and Clinton even suggested ditching the term in favor of "states of concern." So yes, Bush Jr definitely comes to mind when hearing the term, but if what you're translating is as intended for such a high level of political scientists as it sounds from the passage you quoted, then it should still be ok.

The actual problem I see with using "rogue states" is that the German does not specifically indicate that it's talking about states. "Störer" could be anyone. In IR, when we're trying to be vague about the subject (states, NGOs, individuals, etc), then we generally use the word "actors." So for this case, I would recommend using "rogue actors." If you google it (together with "international," otherwise you'll get a lot of hits from Hollywood articles...), you'll find several respectable references including an article from the Journal of Conflict Resolution (one of the top 10 in IR).
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agree Rebecca Garber
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obstructors

...wherever obstructors (meddlers/subverters/disturbers/mischief-makers) jeopardize the international order..

See example below:
"China risks gaining a reputation as an obstructor of international deal making."
"For many years after the Russian Revolution of 1917, Soviet Communism had been widely viewed as the principal subverter of international stability."

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I found a few more options that may be usable in this context. Pariah state, for instance, is closely associated with "rogue state" but some will draw the distinction that pariah states are less likely to pose a military threat to their neighbours than "rogue states."

1. pariahs or pariah states:
"Insecurities about conventional arms sources and big-power support in crises involving national survival have driven pariahs to consideration of nuclear “equalizers,” notwithstanding dilemmas involving the viability of applicable nuclear strategic doctrines." http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessio...

2. recalcitrant states (here: noun)
"..the constructivist/English school argument on the ability of norms and institutions to force recalcitrant states to change their behaviour becomes more credible. Arguably, countries such as Pakistan or Iran will not be able to indefinitely ignore the norm of disarmament if it is reinforced at the global level http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13523260.2013.776...

3. spoiler countries or obstructionist countries
"Human Rights Watch, Oxfam International and Amnesty International call on a small number of “spoiler” countries to stop holding the UN World Summit hostage over crucial measures on human rights, security, genocide and poverty reduction." http://www.hrw.org/news/2005/09/06/small-number-countries-ho...
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