Mar 24, 2012 02:39
12 yrs ago
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Spanish term

chozno

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This is from Argentina.

José de San Martín recibió de parte de las autoridades del concurso que gestionó Tabanera la linda suma de U$S1.750.000. Bastante más que lo que el Estado Nacional le asignó a su chozno por cruzar Los Andes.

Proposed translations

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great-great-great-grandfather

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abuelo = grandfather

bisabuelo = great grandfather

tátarabuelo = great great grandfather

and then comes the big daddy of them all :)

chozno = great great great grandfaher

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have had this conversation so often with my Argentine in-laws and absolutely sure about this :)

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"great great great grandfather" of course

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Perry's Indian ancestry comes from his mother's side of the family. His great-great-great grandfather Icy Abels was Choctaw, Archives.com s
Peer comment(s):

agree James A. Walsh
7 hrs
thanks James :)
agree Charles Davis : That's certainly what it means, though see reference below
11 hrs
thanks Charles and ok :)
agree Richard Hill
15 hrs
thanks Rich :)
agree Jane Martin
1 day 5 hrs
thanks Jane :)
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9 hrs

great great grandson

Diccionario Larousse Inglés-Español

R.A:E.: chozno, na.
(De or. inc.).
1. m. y f. Nieto en cuarta generación, hijo del tataranieto.
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Reference comments

12 hrs
Reference:

Not true

"Chozno" undoubtedly means either great-great-great-great-grandfather or great-great-great-great-grandson; here, obviously, it's the former.

However, in this case it is not actually true. The José de San Martín who was involved in this "concurso que gestionó Tabanera" is not a descendant of the famous General José de San Martín who crossed the Andes. He can't be, because there are no direct descendants of General San Martín. He had one daughter, Mercedes Tomasa de San Martín y Escalada. She married an Argentine doctor named Mariano Severo Balcarce and had two daughters, Josefa Dominga and María Mercedes Balcarce y San Martín. María Mercedes died unmarried and without issue at 27. Josefa married Eduardo María de los Dolores Gutiérrez de Estrada y Gómez de la Cortina, a Mexican diplomat, but also died without issue, in 1924. Therefore the direct line of General San Martín was extinguished.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_de_San_Martín
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Tomasa_San_Martín_y_Es...
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josefa_Dominga_Balcarce

So really they should have said "tocayo", namesake, rather than "chozno": the two José de San Martíns being compared here are not related; they simply have the same name. However, I have found no evidence that "chozno" can mean "tocayo". Either the author thinks mistakenly that one was descended from the other, or he/she is using the term loosely. Either way, I don't feel it should be corrected in the translation, tempting though it is.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Christian [email protected] : Very interesting... Simon Bolivar had no descendants either.
1 day 9 hrs
Thanks, Christian. I can never resist checking!
agree David Hollywood : you really deserve a medal for your dedication and attention to detail Charles :) hats off :)
2 days 10 hrs
Thanks very much, David! It's my insatiable curiosity :)
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