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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

In occasione della Prima alla Scala di Milano

English translation:

opening night, first night, premiere at La Scala in Milan

Added to glossary by Noni Gilbert Riley
May 15, 2007 16:26
17 yrs ago
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Italian term

In occasione della Prima alla Scala di Milano

Non-PRO Italian to English Art/Literary Music Legal proceeding
'Prima' meaning premiere, or soiree or anything better. For those of you not familiar with la Scala theatre in Milan and 'la prima' it is a very exclusive and posh event opening theatre season to which Italian celebrities and creme de la creme participate
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 On the occasion of the First Night/Premiere at La Scala in Milan/La Scala Premiere
5 +5 On the opening night at La Scala in Milan
5 On the first night at La Scala of Milan
Change log

May 15, 2007 19:02: Angela Arnone Created KOG entry

May 15, 2007 19:03: Angela Arnone changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/12362">Angela Arnone's</a> old entry - "In occasione della Prima alla Scala di Milano"" to ""opening night, first night, premiere at La Scala in Milan/La Scala Premiere""

May 15, 2007 19:20: Noni Gilbert Riley changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/12362">Angela Arnone's</a> old entry - "In occasione della Prima alla Scala di Milano"" to ""opening night, first night, premiere at La Scala in Milan""

May 15, 2007 22:12: writeaway changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

May 15, 2007 22:16: writeaway changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Discussion

Noni Gilbert Riley May 16, 2007:
No problem here! IMO the more information you can be given, even if it patently obvious, the better for translation purposes. You can always ignore what is superfluous but you can´t invent or "intuit" what´s not there!
Angela Arnone May 15, 2007:
I'm sure you didn't mean to be patronizing but your comments about 'high culture' sounded a bit scathing. Especially as La Scala calls itself an opera house, and so Covent Garden, Sydney, the Metropolitan, even if they are also used for other events.
potra (asker) May 15, 2007:
I most certainly never intended to offend anyone, quite the contrary, I offered a general explanation so that everyone would promptly capture the significance of 'prima.' It would be quite silly to be patronizing a group of professionals to whom I am asking for help.
Angela Arnone May 15, 2007:
After all, this is the IT-EN community, right? And without wishing to offend, I might also suggest that too many capital letters are not acceptable in English either.
Angela Arnone May 15, 2007:
Apart from the fact that I was joking, if you didn't think we wouldn't know, why did you appraise us with "For those of you not familiar with la Scala theatre in Milan and 'la prima' it is a very exclusive and posh event opening theatre season to which"?
potra (asker) May 15, 2007:
To anyone who is 'aghast' about the thought that someone who is familair with the Italian language may not be familiar with La Scala! Please note that I do not believe that anyone who is Italian or is fluent in Italian, might not know about 'La Scala.' The few occasions I went to La Scala was to see ballet performances, so the 'building' functions as a theatre, whether it is an Opera House that also serves as a theatre, I leave that decision to 'high culture' prozians.
Thanks for all your suggestions.

Proposed translations

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On the occasion of the First Night/Premiere at La Scala in Milan/La Scala Premiere

You could just say "At" instead of "on the occasion of" but it doesn´t sound so fancy...
It could also be first performance, if it was a new work, but this is less likely.
The opera house is well known enough to include its article in English, and, IMO, omit the explanatory "opera house".

"On 17th February 1904, Madama Butterfly had its eagerly awaited premiere at La Scala ..."
www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/schedule/2006/08/01/day/

"The first night marked the opening of the shortest opera season ever at La Scala..." news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1699175.stm

PS By the way, there is a club in London called just Scala - not to be confused!
Peer comment(s):
agree Nicole Johnson : I also agree with this answer, again depending on the rest of the sentence. If you're referring to a specific work, then premiere may be a better option.
17 mins
Thanks Nicole
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Premiere is more appropriate for my context. Thanks"
+5
12 mins

On the opening night at La Scala in Milan

I'm aghast at the thought that someone who is familair with the Italian language may not be familiar with La Scala!

Moreover, I might add that I am fairly certain it's an "opera house" as opposed to a "theatre" and the correct expression is the "opening night".

Rapturous opening night at La Scala
As the shortest ever opera season opens at La Scala, with Placido Domingo as Verdi's Otello, the theatre prepares to close for rebuilding.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1699175.stm

La Scala's Aida
The production's opening night on Thursday had been keenly awaited, with many hoping it would re-establish ... The opening performance of Aida at La Scala ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6169177.stm

Opening night at La Scala. E-mail slide show. REUTERS/Alessandro Garofalo. Carabinieris are positioned in front of La Scala opera house in Milan on Thursday ...
www.iht.com/slideshows/2006/12/08/arts/web.1209scala.php


Do I get brownie points for actually having been to the opera there????

Angela

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Note added at 17 mins (2007-05-15 16:44:13 GMT)
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As you can see, it's also used by other prestigious opera houses:

bartoli finally makes it to covent garden
Chorus and Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden ... must remain something of a mystery after a distinctly low-key opening night. ...
www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=14557

The success of the venture provided the capital for the first Theatre Royal at Covent Garden, designed by Edward Shepherd. On the opening night, ...
info.royaloperahouse.org/AbouttheHouse/Index.cfm?ccs=288&cs=1017

A year in Covent Garden. Royal Opera House on opening night. Royal Opera House audiences thought of as elite ...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1072447.stm

“This is an exciting opportunity to bring the thrill of opening night to a whole new audience. The mission of the Metropolitan Opera Guild is two-fold: to ...
www.metoperafamily.org/metopera/news/press/detail.aspx


The Star decreed that it would be an old-fashioned opening night so, after Terrence ... Sydney Opera House CEO to Depart, Evidently Due to Personnel Issues ...
www.playbill.com/features/section/31.html
Peer comment(s):
agree Nicole Johnson : Depending on the rest of the sentence you may or may not want to omit "the" before opening night.
12 mins
Yes, Nicole - not having the full context, a preposition is difficult to choose
agree James (Jim) Davis : I'm aghast that you are aghast . Is it a theatre or an opera house IYO. I go for opera house. http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1621852
12 mins
Alright then .... it's a bl**dy opera house -)-)-)
agree Silvia Brandon-Pérez : Aghastness (smile) confirmed.
15 mins
Heh heh! To be honest, I wouldn't even put Milan, but given there might be confusion with the ultra celebrated London nightclub ....
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Yes, opening night is good! Wish I could share your brownie points for having been!
41 mins
Thank you! Yes, it was wonderful. It's tough to get in but worth it.
agree Jim Tucker (X) : yes - without the "the" unless it's "the opening night of Falstaff" etc., methinks
46 mins
Hiya Jim. Was a bit difficult here, without much context!!!
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1 hr

On the first night at La Scala of Milan

Cos I can't resist a challenge. As a young child I got dragged off the "first night of the proms" The best bit was singing "Lloyd George new my father" in the queue to get in.


BBC Learning English
La Fenice, Venice's historic opera house which was destroyed by fire eight ... But relatively few members of the first night VIP audience had paid for their ...
www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/newsenglish/witn...

The first night of the Mason opera house was over and the memorable engagement of E.H. Sothern in “If I Were King” had begun. ...

Que La Fete Commence--French Opera
The French Opera House stood at the corner of Bourbon and Toulouse ... The first night of the opera season is the opening of the social season in New ...
Reference:

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22the+first+night%22+%22La+Scala+in+Milan%22&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=%22the+first+night%22+%22opera+house%22&btnG=Search

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