Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
salumi croccanti (in context)
English translation:
crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits
Added to glossary by
Melissa Stanfield
Jan 22, 2007 13:48
17 yrs ago
Italian term
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salumi croccanti
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Another dish on the menu: "la zuppa d’ orzo con **salumi croccanti**". I can imagine what the "salumi croccanti" might taste like, but not how to translate the "salumi" in menuese. Any ideas?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +3 | crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits |
Melissa Stanfield
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| 3 +4 | crispy deli meats |
Christina Townsend
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| 3 +3 | crunchy cold cuts |
Mara Ballarini
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Proposed translations
+3
21 mins
Melissa Stanfield
Australia
Australia
Native in English
Specializes in field
Australia
NAATI Accr. Italian-English Translator
Native in: English (Variant: Australian)
Works in: Italian to English, English
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crunchy bacon (pieces), bacon bits
I know it doesn't sound quite as beautiful, but this is what it evokes to me - something I can imagine being put in a soup.
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Note added at 30 mins (2007-01-22 14:18:35 GMT)
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Here is a recipe for Barley soup, in which the bacon or pancetta is fried first - http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/soup/sou0188.htm
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Note added at 51 mins (2007-01-22 14:40:03 GMT)
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Here is another recipe which looks similar to me - in which tha pancetta is fried - Perhaps you could even say crispy pancetta http://www.buonissimo.org/ricette/469_ms27_zuppa.asp
(My choice of bacon & pancetta here is really a supposition of sorts - I am trying to err on the side of a natural sounding menu item. It is a very interesting question in my opinion, one that is often raised when I speak with chef friends re: the "what is salumi" or "how do you say bacon" question.)
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Note added at 55 mins (2007-01-22 14:43:16 GMT)
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Zuppa di orzo perlato
"..tagliate allo stesso modo anche la pancetta e fatela rosolare in una casseruola con il burro, a calore moderato, per 5 minuti."
http://www.cucinare.meglio.it/ricetta-zuppa_di_orzo_perlato....
"Add barley and beef(bacon), saute' briefly."
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/soup/barley-soup.html
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Note added at 58 mins (2007-01-22 14:46:21 GMT)
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"LENTIL AND BARLEY SOUP WITH PANCETTA
...The pancetta, an Italian cured bacon, adds an extra layer of flavor that I love, and a little goes a long way. If you can’t find it, just substitute a good-quality bacon or ham. The flavor will be slightly different, since pancetta is not smoked. Alternately, if you prefer a vegetarian soup, omit the bacon...Sauté until pancetta is lightly browned and vegetables are slightly tender..."
http://teriskitchen.com/soups/lentil-b.html
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Note added at 30 mins (2007-01-22 14:18:35 GMT)
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Here is a recipe for Barley soup, in which the bacon or pancetta is fried first - http://www.therecipebox.com/members/box/soup/sou0188.htm
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Note added at 51 mins (2007-01-22 14:40:03 GMT)
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Here is another recipe which looks similar to me - in which tha pancetta is fried - Perhaps you could even say crispy pancetta http://www.buonissimo.org/ricette/469_ms27_zuppa.asp
(My choice of bacon & pancetta here is really a supposition of sorts - I am trying to err on the side of a natural sounding menu item. It is a very interesting question in my opinion, one that is often raised when I speak with chef friends re: the "what is salumi" or "how do you say bacon" question.)
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Note added at 55 mins (2007-01-22 14:43:16 GMT)
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Zuppa di orzo perlato
"..tagliate allo stesso modo anche la pancetta e fatela rosolare in una casseruola con il burro, a calore moderato, per 5 minuti."
http://www.cucinare.meglio.it/ricetta-zuppa_di_orzo_perlato....
"Add barley and beef(bacon), saute' briefly."
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/soup/barley-soup.html
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Note added at 58 mins (2007-01-22 14:46:21 GMT)
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"LENTIL AND BARLEY SOUP WITH PANCETTA
...The pancetta, an Italian cured bacon, adds an extra layer of flavor that I love, and a little goes a long way. If you can’t find it, just substitute a good-quality bacon or ham. The flavor will be slightly different, since pancetta is not smoked. Alternately, if you prefer a vegetarian soup, omit the bacon...Sauté until pancetta is lightly browned and vegetables are slightly tender..."
http://teriskitchen.com/soups/lentil-b.html
Peer comment(s):
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Amalia Bit
: I would be inclined to use 'crispy bacon' or something similar, specially if its for an English audience. Cold cuts sounds too much like a display counter in a deli....
4 mins
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Thanks Amalia ;)
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Fiona Grace Peterson
: Definitely!
5 mins
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Thanks Fiona ;)
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Cecilia Di Vita
: yes but "salumi" has a wider meaning than simply "bacon"
8 mins
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Yes, I know - I just think this is the particular type of cured/preserved meat that one would find most commonly, and 'crispy', in a soup. Hard to know for sure without the actual dish before us - thanks Cecilia :)
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Rosanna Palermo
: if the specific ingredient is not mentioned and we translate it specifically then it turns out to be something else how will the customer feel?
12 mins
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i agree with you. At the other extreme I think "crunchy cold cuts" does not sound like natural English, so client clarification might be needed here.
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Claire Titchmarsh (X)
: if it's soup, no way do you want to find whole slices of ham in there.
2 hrs
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No! Thanks Claire :)
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Giuseppina Gatta, MA (Hons)
: Well, in a recipe you never know.. I would not dare to use bacon for salumi
12 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Unfortunately I can't contact the client and my instructions were to interpret as best I can! I agree that its probably "pancetta" in this case, so will risk it and go for crunchy bacon pieces which sounds pretty appetising to me! Thanks to you all."
+3
4 mins
Mara Ballarini
Australia
Australia
Native in Italian
Works in field
Australia
Translator, interpreter and teacher
Native in: Italian 
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English, German to Italian, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
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8
crunchy cold cuts
salumi in 'menuese' is usually found as cold cuts..
Peer comment(s):
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Anthony Green
: but what makes them crunchy??
2 mins
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thin pieces of cold cuts are usually sort of fried in a pan - it makes them crunchy/crispy and enhance their flavour too! quite nice in some dishes!! thanks Anthony!
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Rosanna Palermo
: or "crispy" but definetly cold cuts Ciao Mara!
2 mins
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Yes!! thanks rfmoon! and ciao!
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Fabiola Mancinelli
17 mins
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grazie Fabiola!
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Fiona Grace Peterson
: Cold cuts is salumi, sure, but I don't think the term makes much sense in this context - they suggest that the meat is cold and hasn't been cooked in any way, whereas here they're crunchy. I agree with Melissa that they're more like crispy bacon pieces.
22 mins
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but salumi croccanti could be any cold cuts, not necessarly bacon - even prosciutto crudo is made crunchy, and yes, it'll be cooked to be made crunchy, but it's still originally a cold cut - then cooked (ie fried) for a specific dish
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James (Jim) Davis
: crunchy ham and salami? You have to fry it to make it crunchy, and then its not a "cold cut" any more. A chicken was a originally an egg ;-). The logic is one thing, but crunchy cold cut bacon, to an Englishman who loves his bacon has no appeal.
1 hr
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hi james! U & Fiona've got me thinking...but after u fry an egg for ex, you still call it a fried EGG (& an egg doesn't become a chicken by cooking it-although I see where u wanna get 2) & in IT prosc crudo,after being 'fried' is still called p.CRUDO..:-)
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+4
42 mins
Christina Townsend
Native in English
Specializes in field
Professional, fast and reliable!
Native in: English 
Works in: Italian to English, Spanish to English, French to English
Related KudoZ points
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8
crispy deli meats
crispy deli meats- just another suggestion! IMHO deli meats sounds more appetising than cold cuts.
Chris
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Note added at 47 mins (2007-01-22 14:36:14 GMT)
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If your customer confirms that these are indeed fried (as opposed to grilled etc) you could go for something like "pan-fried deli meats" to convey the fact that the deli meats are crispy and cooked. So "barley soup with pan-fried deli meats" etc.
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Note added at 56 mins (2007-01-22 14:45:04 GMT)
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better still if the customer confirms they are talking about small pieces of deli meats that are fried and added to the soup, I'd go for "barley soup with cubes of pan-fried deli meats" or "..diced and pan-fried deli meats", something along those lines that gets the idea across clearly (space permitting, of course). I regularly translate a menu for a restaurant which prefers the translation to be as clear as poss, even if longer-winded than the original description. Perhaps so the waiters won't risk getting ensnared in trying to describe the dishes to foreign diners :-)
Chris
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Note added at 47 mins (2007-01-22 14:36:14 GMT)
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If your customer confirms that these are indeed fried (as opposed to grilled etc) you could go for something like "pan-fried deli meats" to convey the fact that the deli meats are crispy and cooked. So "barley soup with pan-fried deli meats" etc.
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Note added at 56 mins (2007-01-22 14:45:04 GMT)
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better still if the customer confirms they are talking about small pieces of deli meats that are fried and added to the soup, I'd go for "barley soup with cubes of pan-fried deli meats" or "..diced and pan-fried deli meats", something along those lines that gets the idea across clearly (space permitting, of course). I regularly translate a menu for a restaurant which prefers the translation to be as clear as poss, even if longer-winded than the original description. Perhaps so the waiters won't risk getting ensnared in trying to describe the dishes to foreign diners :-)
Peer comment(s):
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Nicole Johnson
: I would go with "pan-fried" if the customer confirms that this is the case.
27 mins
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Thanks Nicole!
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Sonia Hill
: I think the term "crispy" is more suitable than "crunchy" in this context
32 mins
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Thanks Sonia!
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PB Trans
: definitely "crispy"
46 mins
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Thanks Pina!
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Giuseppina Gatta, MA (Hons)
11 hrs
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