identitäre Demokratie

English translation: identary (identitarian) democracy / true democracy

19:23 Apr 25, 2007
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics / history of liberalism
German term or phrase: identitäre Demokratie
Indem er die Frage, wer herrschen soll, von derjenigen nach dem Umfang der Herrschaftsgewalt trennt, unterscheidet er auch zwischen rechtmäßiger Gewalt und *identitärer Demokratie*, die irgendwelchen Visionen des guten Lebens Vorrang vor dem individuellen Recht einräumt.

personality/identity-based democracy?
Thanks in advance
Jonathan MacKerron
English translation:identary (identitarian) democracy / true democracy
Explanation:
A democracy in the sense that the rule of the people is absolute, people and government are one and the same, or, in which government identifies itself as the people/ is identical with the people.


http://www.dadalos.org/deutsch/Demokratie/demokratie/Grundku...

Die von Rousseau geprägte Homogenitätstheorie orientiert sich an einem einheitlichen (homogenen) Volkswillen und einem vorgegebenen Gemeinwohl ("identitäre" Demokratietheorie). Sie leugnet die Legitimität von lnteressenkonflikten. In diesem Verständnis bedeutet Demokratie Identität von Regierenden und Regierten.


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitäre_Demokratietheorie

Die identitäre Demokratietheorie beschreibt eine Identität zwischen Herrschern und Beherrschten. Im Falle eines Staates wäre eine identitäre Demokratie eine absolute Herrschaft durch das Volk, die es jedoch in der Realität noch nie gegeben hat.


http://www.fwf.ac.at/en/abstracts/abstract.asp?L=E&PROJ=D377...
identitäre Demokratie/identary democracy

about Austrian constitutional order:

...the content of the constitutional order, with emphasis to the content of the democratic principle (which is understood in the tradition of Rousseau as following rather the ideal of identary democracy than that of classic western representative system).


http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001100.html
As human beings we have two tendencies: one that is "identitarian" and prompts us to seek the company of persons belonging to our own ethnic group, race, class . . . [and] another that seeks diversity: we like to travel, to meet people with different backgrounds, to experience unfamiliar music, art, architecture, food. The first impulse seeks comfort and safety; the second, adventure and excitement.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau#Political...
This is because submission to the authority of the general will of the people as a whole guarantees individuals against being subordinated to the wills of others and also ensures that they obey themselves because they are, collectively, the authors of the law.



http://www.scottlondon.com/articles/kf3.html

regarding "true" democracy:

"There is no hope of a final reconciliation," she states, and, bringing to mind Rousseau's saying that true democracy has never existed and never will, she concludes that "radical democracy also means the radical impossibility of a fully achieved democracy."

http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-84512-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html
identary experience - forming of human identity within social context

The first identary experience that children have when chatting has to do with representation of their existence through a textual record.32 It is a practice that is closely linked to the linguistic meaning of the processes by which the human identity is formed. Language is the primary structure through which an individual makes sense and order of the world. As Lacan (1981) sees it, we enter into the human world, with its subjectivation and the possibility of relationship, when we enter into language, which allows us to put a name to the Other, to be named by the Other, and to recognize ourselves as subjects in that naming. Language is the first, and probably one of the most essential, of collective structures. To be inside language, "to be in language", is to be inside the most complex and primordial web of bonds woven by our species in its process of humanization. "Through relational coordination language is born, and through language we acquire the capacity to make ourselves intelligible. Thus, the relationship replaces the individual as the fundamental unit of social life" (Gergen 1996: 309). As a being in language, the individual is relationship. As an individual, his identity has been constructed in the relational language and his identity is therefore a narration, a historicization of what we have been, of how our relational microcosms have been constructed or destroyed. We recognize ourselves in language and we narrate/constitute ourselves through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Rousseau)
The Social Contract, Or Principles of Political Right (1762) by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, is the book in which Rousseau theorised about social contracts.

Rousseau expounded the belief that the ideal society is one in which a man's contract was between himself and his fellow men, not between him and a government. Like John Locke, Rousseau believed that a government can only be legitimate if it has been sanctioned by the people, in the role of the sovereign. Rousseau claimed that a perfect society would be controlled by the "general will" of its populace. While he does not define exactly how this should be accomplished (as there are many possible ways, each suited to different situations), he suggests that assemblies be held in which the every citizen can assist in determining the general will. Without this input from the people, there can be no legitimate government. Importantly, this input cannot come from representatives, but must be from the people themselves.

THE Sovereign, having no force other than the legislative power, acts only by means of the laws; and the laws being solely the authentic acts of the general will, the Sovereign cannot act save when the people is assembled.[2]

Every law the people has not ratified in person is null and void — is, in fact, not a law.[3]
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I'm suggesting "identitarian democracy" to the author - many thanks for all your help
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Summary of answers provided
3 +1democracy based on the individual as opposed to pluralist democracy
David Hollywood
2 +2pure democracy
Craig Meulen
3identary (identitarian) democracy / true democracy
Bernhard Sulzer


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democracy based on the individual as opposed to pluralist democracy


Explanation:
maybe something along these lines

David Hollywood
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 59

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Johanna Timm, PhD: maybe also "identitarian concept of democracy"? found here: http://www.ghil.ac.uk/bul/bu2002_no2.pdf
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  -> thanks Johanna :)
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pure democracy


Explanation:
Have you already used this term? The concept doesn't seem to have a direct equivalent in English, but what it means is definitely a form of "absolute democracy" or "pure democracy" or "direct democracy" where the word "identity" means that *the rulers and the people are identical* - so it is wrong to interpret this as meaning "individual identity".

Could also be described as an "absolute sovereignty of the people".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_sovereignty

Is used in German texts with reference to Rousseau, here's a piec in English, to inspire you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau#The_Socia...



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Note added at 33 mins (2007-04-25 19:57:24 GMT)
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Forgot the first link I wanted to give:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitäre_Demokratietheorie



Craig Meulen
United Kingdom
Local time: 00:17
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: he does make any references to "bloße Demokratie", so I have not used "pure democracy" anywhere

Asker: sorry, meant to say he doesn't make any references....


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michael Pauls: Yes, Rousseau's idea that that sovereignty should be in the hands of the people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau
38 mins

agree  Bernhard Sulzer: with "absolute sovereignty of the people"
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identary (identitarian) democracy / true democracy


Explanation:
A democracy in the sense that the rule of the people is absolute, people and government are one and the same, or, in which government identifies itself as the people/ is identical with the people.


http://www.dadalos.org/deutsch/Demokratie/demokratie/Grundku...

Die von Rousseau geprägte Homogenitätstheorie orientiert sich an einem einheitlichen (homogenen) Volkswillen und einem vorgegebenen Gemeinwohl ("identitäre" Demokratietheorie). Sie leugnet die Legitimität von lnteressenkonflikten. In diesem Verständnis bedeutet Demokratie Identität von Regierenden und Regierten.


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitäre_Demokratietheorie

Die identitäre Demokratietheorie beschreibt eine Identität zwischen Herrschern und Beherrschten. Im Falle eines Staates wäre eine identitäre Demokratie eine absolute Herrschaft durch das Volk, die es jedoch in der Realität noch nie gegeben hat.


http://www.fwf.ac.at/en/abstracts/abstract.asp?L=E&PROJ=D377...
identitäre Demokratie/identary democracy

about Austrian constitutional order:

...the content of the constitutional order, with emphasis to the content of the democratic principle (which is understood in the tradition of Rousseau as following rather the ideal of identary democracy than that of classic western representative system).


http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001100.html
As human beings we have two tendencies: one that is "identitarian" and prompts us to seek the company of persons belonging to our own ethnic group, race, class . . . [and] another that seeks diversity: we like to travel, to meet people with different backgrounds, to experience unfamiliar music, art, architecture, food. The first impulse seeks comfort and safety; the second, adventure and excitement.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau#Political...
This is because submission to the authority of the general will of the people as a whole guarantees individuals against being subordinated to the wills of others and also ensures that they obey themselves because they are, collectively, the authors of the law.



http://www.scottlondon.com/articles/kf3.html

regarding "true" democracy:

"There is no hope of a final reconciliation," she states, and, bringing to mind Rousseau's saying that true democracy has never existed and never will, she concludes that "radical democracy also means the radical impossibility of a fully achieved democracy."

http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-84512-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html
identary experience - forming of human identity within social context

The first identary experience that children have when chatting has to do with representation of their existence through a textual record.32 It is a practice that is closely linked to the linguistic meaning of the processes by which the human identity is formed. Language is the primary structure through which an individual makes sense and order of the world. As Lacan (1981) sees it, we enter into the human world, with its subjectivation and the possibility of relationship, when we enter into language, which allows us to put a name to the Other, to be named by the Other, and to recognize ourselves as subjects in that naming. Language is the first, and probably one of the most essential, of collective structures. To be inside language, "to be in language", is to be inside the most complex and primordial web of bonds woven by our species in its process of humanization. "Through relational coordination language is born, and through language we acquire the capacity to make ourselves intelligible. Thus, the relationship replaces the individual as the fundamental unit of social life" (Gergen 1996: 309). As a being in language, the individual is relationship. As an individual, his identity has been constructed in the relational language and his identity is therefore a narration, a historicization of what we have been, of how our relational microcosms have been constructed or destroyed. We recognize ourselves in language and we narrate/constitute ourselves through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Contract_(Rousseau)
The Social Contract, Or Principles of Political Right (1762) by Jean-Jacques Rousseau, is the book in which Rousseau theorised about social contracts.

Rousseau expounded the belief that the ideal society is one in which a man's contract was between himself and his fellow men, not between him and a government. Like John Locke, Rousseau believed that a government can only be legitimate if it has been sanctioned by the people, in the role of the sovereign. Rousseau claimed that a perfect society would be controlled by the "general will" of its populace. While he does not define exactly how this should be accomplished (as there are many possible ways, each suited to different situations), he suggests that assemblies be held in which the every citizen can assist in determining the general will. Without this input from the people, there can be no legitimate government. Importantly, this input cannot come from representatives, but must be from the people themselves.

THE Sovereign, having no force other than the legislative power, acts only by means of the laws; and the laws being solely the authentic acts of the general will, the Sovereign cannot act save when the people is assembled.[2]

Every law the people has not ratified in person is null and void — is, in fact, not a law.[3]


Bernhard Sulzer
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I'm suggesting "identitarian democracy" to the author - many thanks for all your help
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